Burnham has won. More turmoil?

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Now Burnham has won, it will trigger a leadership contest, and if he wins, a new chancellor of the exchequer.

Surely this cannot be good for the country, or its finances?

YABU - Burnham is a true leader who will improve the UK for everyone and be a competent and respected leader.

YANBU - FFS, here we go again.

While covid was a factor but it wasn't it all, not by a long shot. And do you think Labour would've done a fast lane for their rich tory friends (and only their rich tory friends, no other parties allowed!) to supply useless PPE at inflated prices, wasting quite a few millions of our money?

Labour have created debt but the difference for me is that they mainly borrowed and spent it on making things work. Tories have borrowed higher and yet broken it all, except for lining the pockets of their friends etc.

This makes interesting reading for those who wish to know.
https://www.bestforbritain.org/scandalous_spending_tracker

Ah, for some reason MN is breaking the link, can't get it to work.

Well Farage was a massive instigator of Brexit. So yes he takes more responsibility than most for the current state of the UK, the billions hit to the economy stretching far into future. Very conservatives estimates put the cost to UK’s economic output at minus £100 billion a year. Imagine if this guy actually led a government.

If Burnham takes Labour to the left, they'll occupy approximately the same position on the political spectrum as the Majority administration.

Absolutely this!

Although people STILL say he should be PM because he appears like someone you could spend time with down the pub 😵

Just watched the BBC coverage. I feel like a trusted adult has entered the room and is going to sort the squabbling kids and make them share nicely. I do really hope I’m not disappointed but at least I’ve someone to vote for now.

Burnham doesn't even care about that constituency. The man is a career politician with a massive ego and a ruinous plan. Teh markets will shift and we'll get even poorer. Thai will go to prove why Labour only get into power every 20 yeas and our kids' kids will pay the toll... Frankly we all deserve better.

I know. How can we still be believing that the Tories are the party that champions the economy when they presided over such a decline in this country this century plus the economically disastrous Brexit. Just because it may benefit you short term with e.g. lower taxes, it doesn’t long term with crumbling infrastructure and a crumbling economy.

All this “Telegraph” lite - Burnham to the left stuff. What I’m watching is a man who is very carefully calibrating his message to voters on the elements that Reform have been having a field day with - not race or immigration but the nature of people’s lives and how they are living, how much money they have, what their utilities cost, their children’s aspirations.

He is not stupid. He deals with the racism of Reform by talking about the standard of living and communities.

Also seems to be aware of the standard right wing line about city borrowing and UK bonds. Thats a minority “call in the IMF” view.

According to Starmer, the adults were already in the room.

Can you really imagine Angela Rayner as PM? Representing this country on an international platform? God help us...

Liz Truss. Do we not mention this nonentity and shudder? This actually happened!

Love all the one horse race pontificating.

Andy Burnham already lost a leadership battle against Ed Milliband, and lost another to Jeremy Corbyn.

So what has changed?

We know Wes Streeting will join the race... (not sure grass roots membership are ready for his personal situation). Who else?

This.

If people hadn't constantly had their knives out for Keir Starmer, this wouldn't have happened. Look in the mirror guys.

As it is, Burnham is the best man for the top job and I hope he manages to turn things round for Labour and the country.

Agree with that.

Yes - peddling that line worked well for him didn't it. Much parroted on MN though, unsurprisingly.😂

He didn't say that in his first speech outside number 10, or afterwards. I'm not a Starmer fan but let's aim for accuracy here.

The problem is when you subside things it puts the cost up for everything.

What's your view on how a teenage single mother from a very working class background (she worked in care) achieved one of the highest ranking positions in UK politics?

Eh? Makes the poster look unintelligent? Populism!?! What on earth are you on about?

Maybe it's worth considering that people like calling Kemi "Kemi" as it's the woman's name? It rolls off the tongue and frankly speaking many women in particular relate to her on a political and human level. I allow my kids to watch some PMQ and political debates, interviews etc and they like "Kemi" above other politicians...

Yep. Better than the rewriting of her last name too on some threads. I like her, and it looks like others do too going by her polling. She polls above the others and a smidge away from being the only leader with a positive net rating.

And I still think Labour have a better chance with Burnham not Starmer. If Labour MPs are feeling hopeful today which I’m sure many are then get him in. They’d be mad not to.

I won't vote coz I don't live in Britain. But was over last week for a visit. My sis and bil are happy enough with Starmer, they like that he is boring. And they say things are slowly improving. They run a small promotions business so pay attention to stuff like inflation.

Having said that I think the main problem with any change at PM will be the Tory press as per usual. Eden replaced Churchill to widespread indifference. MacMillan usurped Eden , yawn. Douglas Home dislodged MacMillan, whatever. Major pushed Thatcher aside , phew. May , Johnson, Truss , Sunak , wake me up when it's over.
But if it's a Labour guy the case is altered suddenly - he has no mandate ! Immediate election or it's the end of civilization as we know it.
You can just see Chris Mason , Kuennsberg et al ramping up the faux outrage , to say nothing of GBH news....

I would just be happier if both the Labour Party and indeed the Conservatives stopped chasing Reform and their regressive agenda.

Look at who Reform and who they thought would be a good candidate for Makerfield. A foul mouthed man who is happily sexist. That was their choice.

If Labour or the Conservatives cannot beat a party with that sort of low rent and nasty attitude then we are in trouble. All of us.

LOL at women relating to political android Kemi Badenoch on a human level.

Obviously, she gets loads of support if not on mn. Who do you relate to? Starmer?

I like Kemi too. She seems so down to earth. The problem is she’s a leader of a party that now has a seriously bad reputation and it’s going to be difficult, if not impossible for her to fix. She would probably be better off starting her own party at this rate. But the more I listen to her take on KS in the PMQs the more I like her.