Burnham has won. More turmoil?

[KatiePricesKnickers]

Now Burnham has won, it will trigger a leadership contest, and if he wins, a new chancellor of the exchequer.

Surely this cannot be good for the country, or its finances?

YABU - Burnham is a true leader who will improve the UK for everyone and be a competent and respected leader.

YANBU - FFS, here we go again.

It wasn’t extremely safe, the majority was 5k. It is now - Burnham’s doubled that.

The most serious problem facing this country is the political manipulation of social media algorithms and the (probably partially foreign) funding of bot farms, coupled with the inability of people to critically and independently appraise actual evidence on politicians’ and governments’ performance.

Have a look at historic polling from about 2016 onwards.

We’ve become deluded with illusions of fake wealth. There’s about 20% of the population who will benefit from non-labour policies

It's yer family voting innit?

Yes I agree… however, they didn’t get as unpopular as Starmer and certainly not so unpopular within their first 12 months. They won the biggest majority in a hung parliament in 2010 and formed a coalition with the Lib Dems, then won 2 further general elections before being voted out in 2024. Even the Blair/ brown government lasted 3 terms too before the point of becoming so unpopular. KS has managed it within record time. Thats what I’m saying.

I’m a historic Labour supporter(no longer due to Starmer) and I agree that Starmer is a narcissist and totally needs to go. He is slowly Labour Party and if he stays, it may well be irreparable. Andy Burnham is a much more capable leader and is supported my many more MPs than Starmer.

What choice do they have? They have woven denial of sex and sexual orientation into their concept of the world and they have an anti Semitism problem and you know, who is left?

I’m relieved Burnham won. The thought of the misogynist reform candidate getting in was very concerning!

Now to get Starmer out. The man is hopeless and unfortunately he can’t see at all how bad he is. He’s completely delusional.

What a totally racist comment. Do you think that would be acceptable to say about anyone else with a different skin colour?

You seriously think any of the other political parties are any better?

I was addressing the point that there are female politicians that could do the job. Whether or not the members vote for them is a different issue. And many are now of the view that sex of a leader is not the most important issue but competency and frankly I agree.

It's a turn of phrase - not literal bodies for God's sake?

Eden and Macmillan were both replaced mid-term, too.

For posterity.

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I disagree. They have had deputy leaders who have been female. Yes they probably do need to have a female prime minister otherwise silly billies will keep banging on about the fact that they don’t like women because of it!

But also think sex is not the most important factor in electing a leader. Competency and policies are more important - look at the mess that was Liz Truss.

Yes, those police officers, nurses, firefighters and paramedics with their cushy 9-5 jobs...

Even my glorified pen-pusher public sector job involved working evenings sometimes, and I've never met a teacher who doesn't work well after school hours.

Don’t you mean, ‘Let me be absolutely clear….’

I am not sure Burnham will be any more successful than Starmer. The only difference is Starmer had a mandate. Burnham does not. I am fearful that we will see further tax rises and widespread use of the phrase “those with the broadest shoulders” whilst the welfare bill continues to grow unchallenged.

Exactly!! Why is it ok to hate white men?

They even have Liz Truss (September - October 2022).

I think the decks were stacked against Starmer from the start, egged on by foreign influence, self interested right wing politicians and a very right wing press. And compounded by a population at their wits end and desperate for some relief in the middle of a cost of living crises. Starmer is not known for his charisma but he’s not been as terrible as painted, nor has Reeves. But I do think a Burnham leadership would be a good thing.

I agree we need stability but we also need a prime minister who is effective, and prepared to make big radical changes to address the many issues facing this country. I genuinely believe that Andy Burnham has big ideas and a vision to deliver that. I don’t think Keir Starmer “gets” that radical change is required at all. He tinkers, he doesn’t get to the heart of the issue, and has no vision.

Yeah he makes the odd variation every now and again. “Let me be absolutely clear” and “Let me be crystal clear” and even “Let me be absolutely crystal clear” I think he’s said too 😂 All involve the usual “let me be clear” line in some form or another

What an absolute joke.

People on the right get accused of racism just for having concerns about immigration yet some people think it’s ok to post a despicable clearly racist comment like that! If they had made a comment about them being a brown leader there would be uproar on this thread! But no it’s somehow acceptable to be racist against white people for some reason!