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Burnham has won. More turmoil?

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KatiePricesKnickers · Yesterday 05:51

Now Burnham has won, it will trigger a leadership contest, and if he wins, a new chancellor of the exchequer.

Surely this cannot be good for the country, or its finances?

YABU - Burnham is a true leader who will improve the UK for everyone and be a competent and respected leader.

YANBU - FFS, here we go again.

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june35 · Yesterday 09:23

Settlersa · Yesterday 09:17

Is he likely to take away WFA Does he hate pensioners too

I think he will have bigger fish to fry and can’t see them wanting to deal with that headache again.

ClarkeandNewman · Yesterday 09:23

Bloozie · Yesterday 08:51

I have absolutely no idea where they're finding their candidates from NOW. Every single one of them is like a bad caricature of a gammon or a Nazi. Like, so over the top they're not believable. Why are they fielding people that are so obviously thick, and extreme? They'd romp it if their candidates could string a sentence together and evidence a social media history free of swastikas and misogyny but nope. They CANNOT get it together.

Anyone at the pub who's drunk enough to agree to stand seems to be Reform's selection policy.

TemperanceWest · Yesterday 09:24

CoverLikelyZebra · Yesterday 09:02

The next general election isn't till 2029. What would be sensible would be for Starmer to give Burnham a cabinet post to give him a period of time to get used to being in Westminster again and to learn the scale of the challenges that government is facing, with a plan to hold an orderly leadership contest no earlier than 2028 so that whoever wins is still in their honeymoon period when the general election approaches.
They will not do this.

To be fair, the press would be bleating on every day that Starmer has no authority if they did this. It would be a massive distraction.

RedTagAlan · Yesterday 09:25

ChubbyPuffling · Yesterday 09:00

How much has all this cost taxpayers? A by-election? holding another election for mayor? Just to get someone into a position to challenge for the leadership of a party.

Labour was voted in. With Starmer at the head. Democratically.

What an absolute waste, and why the heck should we have to pay for this.

This cost something like 226k, according to GB news.

Not a lot in the scale of things. That's about 7 hours of flight time for a UK F35 jet. The taxpayer just pays for the admin.

It's the parties who spend most on campaigning etc. And that is not taxpayers money.

CandidLurker · Yesterday 09:26

Settlersa · Yesterday 07:19

I hope we don’t have a sad face life story every time he takes to the podium about his father’s job and how he was brought up in a hovel. It gets a bit wearing

AB was brought up in a detached house in a nice village, went to a Catholic school (in the days when they were much better than over-crowded bog standard comps) and then went to Cambridge. I don’t think he plays on his background much. He knows he was privileged compared to many of his peers.

I can’t wait to no longer hear KS’s “my dad was a toolmaker”

MulberryBrandy · Yesterday 09:27

RedTagAlan · Yesterday 09:25

This cost something like 226k, according to GB news.

Not a lot in the scale of things. That's about 7 hours of flight time for a UK F35 jet. The taxpayer just pays for the admin.

It's the parties who spend most on campaigning etc. And that is not taxpayers money.

Interesting that Restore were the only ones, along with the top 2, who didn't lose their deposit. Shocking really.

Flyingintotheunknown · Yesterday 09:28

CandidLurker · Yesterday 09:26

AB was brought up in a detached house in a nice village, went to a Catholic school (in the days when they were much better than over-crowded bog standard comps) and then went to Cambridge. I don’t think he plays on his background much. He knows he was privileged compared to many of his peers.

I can’t wait to no longer hear KS’s “my dad was a toolmaker”

“I can’t wait to no longer hear KS’s “my dad was a toolmaker””

And “let me be clear” and “I have a mandate”

ClarkeandNewman · Yesterday 09:28

EasternStandard · Yesterday 08:52

Who cares? If you don’t like it scroll on by. I’ll use the name I want.

I’m pleased they won Aberdeen South, and she out polls all the men. Starmer is very low. He’s about to be ousted due to how disliked he is, Focus on that rather than use of Kemi.

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You may use the name you want, of course. But it makes you appear unintelligent and contributes to a process resulting in populism and exactly the kind of division and low standards we see in politics today.

Language matters, as does reflexivity.

leli · Yesterday 09:29

Flyingintotheunknown · Yesterday 06:13

“Starmer has shown a strong leadership on the world stage.”

And that’s the issue. It’s all that prick cares about, how he is seen on the world stage. He doesn’t give a shit about the UK, he only cares about how the other world leaders see him. Because he has a grandiose sense of self worth and thinks he’s far better than he really is. Complete, selfish total utter narcissist more like.
Oh and btw he’s done nothing but make a fool of himself on the world stage. He’s a laughing stock and the other world leaders know it.

What utter hatred from you? I don't understand your position at all. I see Burnham as the narcissist.

PrettyDamnCosmic · Yesterday 09:29

RedTagAlan · Yesterday 09:25

This cost something like 226k, according to GB news.

Not a lot in the scale of things. That's about 7 hours of flight time for a UK F35 jet. The taxpayer just pays for the admin.

It's the parties who spend most on campaigning etc. And that is not taxpayers money.

It's the parties who spend most on campaigning etc. And that is not taxpayers money.

Each party can spend up to £180,050.

The cost of the upcoming Manchester mayoral by-election could be up to £5 million.

BendoftheBeginning · Yesterday 09:29

I hope Burnham settles into government. Anything is better than that Reform prat winning. Amazing to see how blatant he was about calling women slags and sluts until they were attacked by brown men, THEN he finally pretended to care about violence against women and girls. So, so shameless. I’m not surprised so many ordinary people saw through him!

Monty36 · Yesterday 09:30

I dislike his policies about giving more powers to local Mayors and local authorities. A recipe for corruption if ever there was one. And it also diverts accountability for policies from Westminster. Makes life easy for them. No. They stood, they can decide things, they can be accountable. And a bit rubbish if you vote one way and have a Mayor and Council not of the colour you voted for in a GE. The whole point of a GE is to get the party in who make policies nationally. Not one that say oh, we are handing all the powers to the locals so red rules apply here, yellow over there, light blue there etc.

Flyingintotheunknown · Yesterday 09:31

leli · Yesterday 09:29

What utter hatred from you? I don't understand your position at all. I see Burnham as the narcissist.

Then goes on to call Burnham a Narcissist. At least practice what you preach lol

Monty36 · Yesterday 09:32

I think too he will have to soon realise any anti South rhetoric will not wash nationally. He is speaking to the South now. And there are poor regions in the South, the Midlands, the North, the coastal towns.
He will know his audience has changed.

Settlersa · Yesterday 09:32

CandidLurker · Yesterday 09:26

AB was brought up in a detached house in a nice village, went to a Catholic school (in the days when they were much better than over-crowded bog standard comps) and then went to Cambridge. I don’t think he plays on his background much. He knows he was privileged compared to many of his peers.

I can’t wait to no longer hear KS’s “my dad was a toolmaker”

So fairly middle class then

CandidLurker · Yesterday 09:32

Flyingintotheunknown · Yesterday 09:28

“I can’t wait to no longer hear KS’s “my dad was a toolmaker””

And “let me be clear” and “I have a mandate”

Oh god yes the “let me be clear”. You are PM, it’s a basic expectation that you will be clear. You don’t need to tell us.

and this isn’t aimed at KS but all politicians. - starting sentences with “the reality is”…and then just going on to pontificate about something that is just opinion.

EasternStandard · Yesterday 09:33

ClarkeandNewman · Yesterday 09:28

You may use the name you want, of course. But it makes you appear unintelligent and contributes to a process resulting in populism and exactly the kind of division and low standards we see in politics today.

Language matters, as does reflexivity.

You seem a bit focused on a name over Starmer’s major issues. And again if that’s what you think, who cares? Your opinion written like this means nothing to me.

leli · Yesterday 09:33

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This comment is delusional an pathological.

RedTagAlan · Yesterday 09:33

PrettyDamnCosmic · Yesterday 09:29

It's the parties who spend most on campaigning etc. And that is not taxpayers money.

Each party can spend up to £180,050.

The cost of the upcoming Manchester mayoral by-election could be up to £5 million.

Who pays that 5 million ?

dottiehens · Yesterday 09:34

JuliaBraverman · Yesterday 07:39

I’ve heard it all now! Oh it wouldn’t be Starmer’s fault would it… no it must be Trumps!

Hahaha… 🤣 Labour voters deserve their leader.

CandidLurker · Yesterday 09:35

Monty36 · Yesterday 09:30

I dislike his policies about giving more powers to local Mayors and local authorities. A recipe for corruption if ever there was one. And it also diverts accountability for policies from Westminster. Makes life easy for them. No. They stood, they can decide things, they can be accountable. And a bit rubbish if you vote one way and have a Mayor and Council not of the colour you voted for in a GE. The whole point of a GE is to get the party in who make policies nationally. Not one that say oh, we are handing all the powers to the locals so red rules apply here, yellow over there, light blue there etc.

Totally agree. It’s happening in my area. And it just creates more bureaucracy and wastes more money. It doesn’t actually make things more democratic at a local level.

Flyingintotheunknown · Yesterday 09:35

leli · Yesterday 09:33

This comment is delusional an pathological.

No your comment is delusional and pathological.

ClarkeandNewman · Yesterday 09:36

Additup · Yesterday 09:01

Lisa Nandy as PM material ?😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Shaba Mamood I could definitely get behind as PM but it would never happen because unfortunately, in Labour Party land women are not seen as leaders.

Also we've seen quite enough Labour politicians with right wing views.

ClarkeandNewman · Yesterday 09:38

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Would that be a clinical assessment?

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · Yesterday 09:45

Loopylalalou · Yesterday 09:07

Perhaps Burnham got the majority as people voted primarily in a belief he’d get rid of Starmer.
Perhaps Reform achieved around a third of the vote as people wanted to signal and unhappiness with the established parties.
Perhaps that’s why Conservative received just over 2% and the LibDems 0.36%.
I don’t take this as any endorsement of Labour policy at all.

Obviously Aberdeen South was a special case, since it’s gone from Oil Boom Town to a long way from that. The promised renewables jobs have apparently not materialised, while we still need to import energy. Hardly surprising that Miliband and his Net Zero, and therefore Labour are the enemy.

IMO Miliband has been a disaster for this country anyway, starting way back, from his aligning himself with the Labour Left, against the IMO far more electable David M.

IMO if not for Ed M’s arrogance in imagining that he was PM material, we’d v likely have had David M as PM - we wouldn’t have had Cameron, and we probably wouldn’t have had Brexit.