Burnham has won. More turmoil?

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Now Burnham has won, it will trigger a leadership contest, and if he wins, a new chancellor of the exchequer.

Surely this cannot be good for the country, or its finances?

YABU - Burnham is a true leader who will improve the UK for everyone and be a competent and respected leader.

YANBU - FFS, here we go again.

He may have said that but doesn’t mean it’s true in the minds of the voters. Most of what Farage says is dismissed by the left, and yet when he says something that goes their way, all of a sudden what he says is gospel.

Yes, Reform winning would have been humiliating for Labour and shown Reform would probably win the next GE, as it’s such a safe Labour seat.

But in reality, we have another 3ish years of Labour whether we like it or not. Whatever the outcome of this election, we would still have a Labour government, but not necessarily the same PM.

People who wouldn’t have voted for Labour in a GE would have voted for Labour in this just to get rid of Starmer. People who want Starmer to stay would have voted against Labour to stop another change in leadership.

Agree with this and personally I feel the same about the Green party too.

It's not a requirement to vote and I would rather abstain than vote for a party I consider too extreme.

We need it like a hole in the head.

But it also needs to happen.

And it isn't Labour's fault. Not Keir Starmer's or Rachel Reeves.

It's the electorate, expecting change overnight and being dumb enough to believe there are easy, fast answers to longstanding, complicated issues. The media, for relentlessly covering Farage's campaign of hate and not giving equal weight to the achievements of the government.

We get the government we deserve. We deserve the turmoil because apparently we're a bunch of reactionary impatient arseholes.

The country needs stability in order to give businesses - internal and external - confidence to invest. But that won't happen under Starmer because no one - NO ONE - is talking Britain and Britain's leadership down more than Britain right now.

We're absolute twats.

What do you mean by ideology?

Think we had a far, far bigger “don’t give a fuck” attitude from the Tories and Reform for quite some time.

“How did he do it?: The BBC’s elections guru John Curtice said there were “two crucial elements” to Burnham’s victory: winning over tactical voters who normally back other parties — he reckoned it’s the worst ever Lib Dem performance in a by-election — and pulling in traditional Labour supporters who wanted to see the back of Keir Starmer. Getting help from the full Labour activist machine can’t have hurt either. The question is whether he can pull the same trick in hundreds of seats at once if he’s the prime minister everyone hates.” Politico London Playbook.

I'm secretly glad

Delighted he’s won 🙌🎉

Gas and oil.

Why secretly? (if you don't mind explaining)

Oh but he will. Keir Starmer can call himself Lord whatever he likes but the fact remains he is no Winston Churchill!

They have produced quite a few female politicians who could be prime minister.

Angela Rayner, Shabana Mahmood, Yvette Cooper, Bridget Phillipson, Lisa Nandy just to name a few.

Many people are more interested in policies rather than playing politics and culture wars - which is what people are doing when they focus on the sex of the Labour Party leader rather than the policies.

Where does this insane level of vitriol come from? It's totally unmerited and I would love to know what's fuelling it.

We’ll see. I think Starmer is a major issue. As a leader he swings voters away from his party. If they can find someone who does the opposite then go with it.

Reform threw everything at the bi election and didn’t win, I doubt they’ll find over 300 winning candidates ready for the next general election.

This was an extremely safe Labour seat, and a possibility to get out a quite unpopular prime minister. It wasn’t about Reform.

Very poor analysis. You do actually need to look beneath the surface to understand the seismic shifts in UK politics over the last decade.

Incidentally it's conventional to refer to politicians by their last names, titles or honorific followed by last name. The way you say "Kemi" is jarring.

Even if he becomes PM, nothing will change.

I was very hopeful for this government butthey seem so politically inept. This morning they have announced a new housing policy to save first time buyers an estimated £700. The sellers have to provide a housing pack. The labour government about 20 years ago introduced the Homes Information Pack (hips) also known as hated info pack because it cost the sellers hundreds but wasnt accepted by mortgage providersand went out of date after about 3 months so the seller had to pay again ( givt insisted on renewal )This new housing pack might have some differences but most information is time sensitive. So another likely boo boo.
But if we have a change I dont fancy Andy Burnham. The thing i dont like about Andy Burnham is his saying he will represent the people of the north. We are a country not east and west berlin and need more division like a hole in the head.

It's the Conservatives who have made a habit of getting rid of Prime Ministers and installing new ones without calling a General Election. They did it with Margaret Thatcher, Theresa May, Boris Johnson and Liz Truss.

Labour have done it once so far with Tony Blair and will probably do this with Keir Starmer but Mumsnetters usually save their ire for Labour politicians.

Exactly! I am just glad Reform didn’t win

I have absolutely no idea where they're finding their candidates from NOW. Every single one of them is like a bad caricature of a gammon or a Nazi. Like, so over the top they're not believable. Why are they fielding people that are so obviously thick, and extreme? They'd romp it if their candidates could string a sentence together and evidence a social media history free of swastikas and misogyny but nope. They CANNOT get it together.

ok let's revisit this discussion leading up to the GE, assuming someone else - probably Burnham - has been in charge of the Labour party for a good couple of years.

Who cares? If you don’t like it scroll on by. I’ll use the name I want.

I’m pleased they won Aberdeen South, and she out polls all the men. Starmer is very low. He’s about to be ousted due to how disliked he is, Focus on that rather than use of Kemi.

I don’t think the general population is swinging right. They just want to matter far more than they currently do.