AIBU to be English, but really really want Scotland to win the world cup.

[fruitandbarley]

After decades of disappointment I've pretty much given up on watching England with any hope.

I have Scottish in laws and love the place anyway but after seeing all the videos of the tartan army in Boston I'd so love for them to win ( however unlikely that may be!)

Maybe I'm not in Boston and I am in another part of the USA where this isn't my experience, also not my experience of the behaviour yesterday when England were playing!
I've no skin in this game I'm from Wales!

Aberdeen Rangers?

When did they move?

How confusing is the word ‘all’?

So desperate to be hated by us. I really find it very odd.

@FloodlightsOnTheSquare agreed. It’s all rather tiresome and boring. An age old rivalry etc etc and I’ve never, not once, been rude or unwelcome to anyone. Regardless of their origin. But always so lovely to be stereotyped and judged by folk who have never met me…

Tbh, you don’t cross our minds. You’re really not that important. Just people like everyone else. 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

She meant Aberdeen and rangers

🙄

“This comment reflects more about you than anything else. Everyone is welcome in Scotland — and that genuinely means everyone, no matter where they were born

Ah yeah. Thanks :)

"I’ll be wasting my breath to say the ABE stuff mostly really is the Scottish sense of humour, which is notoriously hard to read. Mostly cause the people on here who don’t believe me aren’t listening anyway."

Polling doesn't bear that out, Fewer than a third of Scots wish the England team well, or support them, according to multiple polls.

Bless her. The hope of a child is next to
none eh?
And also the beauty of the game.
I have Ioved watching fans of various ´underdog’ teams jubilating at matches ending in a draw or even just scoring a goal and losing. They’re just so happy to be there and enjoy the atmosphere 🎊🎉🥳

Sure, England should do their best and compete but my, those delusions of grandeur. The players and managers then suffer for it.

Have you ever actually been to Scotland, or met a Scot? To suggest a large amount of us are in any way supporting England, is a bit ridiculous. We have no reason to. It's not our team. Why would we be supporting England? The polls don't bear your claim out.

Their first goal against Croatia, and they were already posting "it's coming home!" like they'd won the whole thing.

There is a difference between not supporting your rivals and actively supporting any team they play against. And people will vote in these polls even though they don’t really mean it. It’s a Scottish humour/pride thing. It doesn’t mean we hate the English.

I don’t think it’s accurate to jump from football‑related banter to “Scotland hates England.” Polls about who people support in a tournament don’t measure actual hostility — they measure sporting rivalry, which is a completely different thing.

Most Scots I know don’t “hate” England; they just enjoy the ABE humour because it’s part of the culture around football. It’s the same way plenty of English fans enjoy winding up the Scots. None of that automatically translates into real animosity between people in day‑to‑day life.

If you look beyond football, Scots and English people overwhelmingly live, work, socialise, and build families together without any issue. A rivalry on the pitch doesn’t define an entire nation’s feelings.

There is a difference between not supporting your rivals and actively supporting any team they play against

I don't think it's a "difference" as much as it is a barometer of how strongly you feel the animosity.

A lot is made of the "ABE" attitude, but the reality is exactly the same thing happens in club football.

I personally couldn't care less about the results of my club's rivals. To me they are just another opponent the same as any other. I pay no attention to how they fare because it has no relevance to, or impact upon my club.

I doubt though, that you'll find many Man United fans cheering on Man City in an FA Cup Final vs Crystal Palace, or Rangers fans cheering on Celtic's performances in the CL. On the contrary.

I feel differently about International football though. At least with England qualifying for the majority of tournaments it means I always have an interest, because there is always an opponent to support. Until they get knocked out anyway, then the interest just reverts to being non-partisan.

Yes I've been to Scotland, born in Glasgow and have lived the majority of my life here. I was referring to the many posts from Scottish people on this thread. Plenty of Scots support England

There is no question there is rivalry, I was talking about us hating the English which we don't. Just because the majority of Scotland don't support England doesn't mean we can't stand them.

I support Scotland and England as I see them both as home teams. I will always support any UK team, why wouldn't I? I just don't go along with the ABE mentality but understand that deep rooted rivalry exists and that's OK too. It's just football and the majority is done in jest.

Well said @HaudYerWheeshtYaWeeBellend

I’m Scottish, lived in England for over a decade, regularly holiday in England, have a lot of English friends and work colleagues. I warmed to the England football team under Southgate and actively supported the Lionesses. But when push comes to shove, once England get to the semi-final stage I will be supporting ABE! It’s just football rivalry.

Oh thank you sweetie.
By the end of my stint they were begging me to stay. Said I was the kindest sister they had worked for.

Doubt it.

Well there you go.
You must be choking. But the sister before me was very strict. Sounds like she was clueless . I was trained at the best hospital in the UK and was able to train them and bring them on.
Sorry to disappoint, must be hard to bear.

There you go. It’s easy to see why you had a hard time. Did you move to Scotland due to a problem in England mibbe?

I'm near Boston and I'm loving the Tartan Army. They actually got me interested in the World Cup. I will love it if they go far and come back for a quarter final.

Are we twinned with Boston now?

No, my husband was able to earn a lot of money as a drilling manager….
i didn’t want to leave London.
Believe what you want.
All the Aberdonians hated the Glaswegians. So it wasn’t just the English.
They spent a lot of time telling me about the perils of Glasgow.