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To think benefits need to be cut to fund increased spending on defence

504 replies

Viviennemary · 14/06/2026 20:04

This is absolutely necessary. Keir Starmer shouldnt have backed down the last time. But now with the current situation with Russia drastic steps need to be taken. We simply can't afford to sustain the current benefits bill with the armed forces so depleted. The money is needed to increase defence.

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youalright · 14/06/2026 22:55

Curveygirl · 14/06/2026 22:54

Maybe you should have read my first post that you responded to beforegetting on your soapbox?

I skimmed it but honestly your opinions are quite boring

MyTrivia · 14/06/2026 22:55

Tunnocksmallow · 14/06/2026 22:51

Erm… because the Tories closed the Sure Start centres as soon as they came back to government after Labour. God forbid the plebs get anything that could help them…

Exactly this. The damage they did to the Uk during their time in office was despicable. And they did not take care of the economy - they wasted loads of money. Not on ordinary people, I might add.

Curveygirl · 14/06/2026 22:57

youalright · 14/06/2026 22:55

I skimmed it but honestly your opinions are quite boring

So boring that you couldn't help replying without proper consideration of what I wrote.

Corianda · 14/06/2026 22:57

The Russians can tamper with the many cables carrying electricity from offshore windfarms, Scottish windfarms to the areas it’s needed.

youalright · 14/06/2026 22:58

Curveygirl · 14/06/2026 22:57

So boring that you couldn't help replying without proper consideration of what I wrote.

I have no clue what you're even going on about at this point.

ktopfwcv · 14/06/2026 22:58

Brilliant yeah. Cut benefits and force people to be homeless and spend more money on temporary accommodation.

PrettyLittleRose · 14/06/2026 22:58

Oooooooookay. Confused

Curveygirl · 14/06/2026 23:00

youalright · 14/06/2026 22:58

I have no clue what you're even going on about at this point.

Your replies show that you clearly struggled to comprehend from my initial post not just at this point.

Viviennemary · 14/06/2026 23:02

ALovelyPinkUnicorn · 14/06/2026 22:16

But it would provide education and support for the parents, so maybe the next child might not be so disadvantaged? Or is expecting personal responsibility so terrible?

Everyone will be a lot more disadvantaged if Russia makes a move. The UK is looking very weak. People need to wake up before it's too late.

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youalright · 14/06/2026 23:06

Curveygirl · 14/06/2026 23:00

Your replies show that you clearly struggled to comprehend from my initial post not just at this point.

Well obviously welcome to the reality of organ failure, disability brain damage and taking 50plus meds a day that all have a million side effects . But of course none of that matters and I should quit my job get a wfh and no longer recieve benefits to please you.

BringBackCatsEyes · 14/06/2026 23:08

Long-term unemployed should be given a job working for the local Council litter picking or something similar. I’m sure many would find alternative employment very quickly.

Yeah...cos there are so many jobs out there!

Everlore · 14/06/2026 23:09

Curveygirl · 14/06/2026 22:50

Why do you find it insulting that somebody may be in a worse position than you are and not able to work at all? Ofcourse there are people who are more disabled than you are, that isn't an insult, it's factual.

I am not sure why I am engaging with somebody so completely lacking in basic reasoning skills, but here goes.
By your extremely weird logic, only the most disabled person in the world should be entitled to any support since everybody else is less disabled than them, this is the logical conclusion of your ridiculous argument.
I receive higher rate PIP. Without this I would be unable to afford the specialist equipment, adaptive technology and personal assistance I require daily. I would be unable to dress, wash or cook for myself as well as being unable to leave the house, which would put working out of the question. Maybe you would be happier then as, despite my level of disability not having changed, I would be rendered unable to work and therefore may meet your spurious definition of disability.
However, according to you, I should not qualify for PIP since somewhere there may be someone who is more disabled than me. I am already considerably worse off than someone without my level of disability earning the same wage as me since PIP by no means covers all of the extra costs that result from my disability, take it away and I and my family would be in very serious trouble. I do not want to have to make an exhaustive list of all of the adaptations and support I require on a daily basis here, especially as I am unsure that you are posting in good faith, but I hope you have the wit and imagination to consider what extra support someone who is very severely disabled might need to get through the day, even if they are not the absolutely most disabled person in the whole world.

Carouseloflife · 14/06/2026 23:10

Stop selling ale in supermarkets, more people in pubs, more tax revenue and more jobs for bar staff.

LBFseBrom · 14/06/2026 23:10

No, I do not think benefits should be cut to increase defence spending.

The previous government cut quite a lot of benefits and goodness knows what they did with what was saved.

Leopardprintbikini · 14/06/2026 23:16

spstchmu · 14/06/2026 22:48

Why go after poorer people? Don't believe all you read.

Mumsnetters hate poor people.

Curveygirl · 14/06/2026 23:17

youalright · 14/06/2026 23:06

Well obviously welcome to the reality of organ failure, disability brain damage and taking 50plus meds a day that all have a million side effects . But of course none of that matters and I should quit my job get a wfh and no longer recieve benefits to please you.

You're misrepresenting what I wrote. I pointed out that you had skills to argue online with me which could be used in wfh position such as admin or customer service. You stated you could only work part time.

Some people are so disabled that they aren't able to do that, they don't have those skills and wouldn't be able to work at all. I've continually wrote that those who are so disabled that they cannot work should be supported.

I've never wrote that you personally should have your benefits removed. I've wrote that those who claim the lower rates of pip/ dla should have theirs removed. You've stated you claim the high rate.

ChloeCannotCanCan · 14/06/2026 23:19

Tax the wealthy and corporations who pay a disproportionately small percentage of tax. Not the very poorest in society…

FFS people, you are being manipulated by the right wing press into believing the wrong people are the enemy here… the rich should pay their share.

Curveygirl · 14/06/2026 23:22

Everlore · 14/06/2026 23:09

I am not sure why I am engaging with somebody so completely lacking in basic reasoning skills, but here goes.
By your extremely weird logic, only the most disabled person in the world should be entitled to any support since everybody else is less disabled than them, this is the logical conclusion of your ridiculous argument.
I receive higher rate PIP. Without this I would be unable to afford the specialist equipment, adaptive technology and personal assistance I require daily. I would be unable to dress, wash or cook for myself as well as being unable to leave the house, which would put working out of the question. Maybe you would be happier then as, despite my level of disability not having changed, I would be rendered unable to work and therefore may meet your spurious definition of disability.
However, according to you, I should not qualify for PIP since somewhere there may be someone who is more disabled than me. I am already considerably worse off than someone without my level of disability earning the same wage as me since PIP by no means covers all of the extra costs that result from my disability, take it away and I and my family would be in very serious trouble. I do not want to have to make an exhaustive list of all of the adaptations and support I require on a daily basis here, especially as I am unsure that you are posting in good faith, but I hope you have the wit and imagination to consider what extra support someone who is very severely disabled might need to get through the day, even if they are not the absolutely most disabled person in the whole world.

I have not wrote that at all. You need to reread my post.

I wrote that the lower levels of dla/pip should be removed (among other benefit changes). I wrote that there are people who will be more disabled than you are, this is factual. I wrote that severly disabled people should be supported.

I have never wrote that the higher rates should be removed which you have said you claim.

You need to read my posts.

OneThreadOnlybyN · 14/06/2026 23:23

Curveygirl · 14/06/2026 21:51

Benefits should be a safety net for the majority of people. People who are severely disabled and completely unable to work should be supported.

State pension needs to be means tested with the option of the state recovering funds from the estate after a person passes upto the amount paid out.

We should be encouraging private pension schemes with more tax breaks.

Social housing should be just that it shouldn't be that a person can stay in a large family home once their family has grown and left home.

Dla shouldn't be payable to children ten and under apart from those children with the most severe disabilities; remove lower rates. Remove the lower rates of pip too.

We should bring the two child benefit cap back. People on benefits shouldn't have the option of large families when working families don't. We shouldn't be encoraging having children and raising them in povety.

Education: we need different types of schools so that children/ yp have choices eg at 11 they don't need to go to high school with the aim of sitting gcse's, they could go to a trade school where they would have to take basic English and Maths but learn mechanics, plumbing, teaching assistant, hairdressing etc qualifications.

Fucking hell.

youalright · 14/06/2026 23:23

Curveygirl · 14/06/2026 23:17

You're misrepresenting what I wrote. I pointed out that you had skills to argue online with me which could be used in wfh position such as admin or customer service. You stated you could only work part time.

Some people are so disabled that they aren't able to do that, they don't have those skills and wouldn't be able to work at all. I've continually wrote that those who are so disabled that they cannot work should be supported.

I've never wrote that you personally should have your benefits removed. I've wrote that those who claim the lower rates of pip/ dla should have theirs removed. You've stated you claim the high rate.

I stated I can only work part time as I can only work part time which is what I do. If I quit my job and got a new job I wouldn't pass the 12 week probationary period as I don't have the time to work full time for 12 weeks so I would end up unemployed. Has anyone told you what great advice you give.

MyTrivia · 14/06/2026 23:24

Viviennemary · 14/06/2026 23:02

Everyone will be a lot more disadvantaged if Russia makes a move. The UK is looking very weak. People need to wake up before it's too late.

Literal hyperbole. 🙄

Curveygirl · 14/06/2026 23:24

Curveygirl · 14/06/2026 21:51

Benefits should be a safety net for the majority of people. People who are severely disabled and completely unable to work should be supported.

State pension needs to be means tested with the option of the state recovering funds from the estate after a person passes upto the amount paid out.

We should be encouraging private pension schemes with more tax breaks.

Social housing should be just that it shouldn't be that a person can stay in a large family home once their family has grown and left home.

Dla shouldn't be payable to children ten and under apart from those children with the most severe disabilities; remove lower rates. Remove the lower rates of pip too.

We should bring the two child benefit cap back. People on benefits shouldn't have the option of large families when working families don't. We shouldn't be encoraging having children and raising them in povety.

Education: we need different types of schools so that children/ yp have choices eg at 11 they don't need to go to high school with the aim of sitting gcse's, they could go to a trade school where they would have to take basic English and Maths but learn mechanics, plumbing, teaching assistant, hairdressing etc qualifications.

Just for clarity

youalright · 14/06/2026 23:26

Curveygirl · 14/06/2026 23:24

Just for clarity

You know you're not exempt from disability. One car accident or one illness can change your life forever i feel your opinions would change very quickly then

Curveygirl · 14/06/2026 23:27

youalright · 14/06/2026 23:23

I stated I can only work part time as I can only work part time which is what I do. If I quit my job and got a new job I wouldn't pass the 12 week probationary period as I don't have the time to work full time for 12 weeks so I would end up unemployed. Has anyone told you what great advice you give.

Then don't quit your job. What you do or don't do is your decision and your responsibility. Nobody elses.

youalright · 14/06/2026 23:28

Curveygirl · 14/06/2026 23:27

Then don't quit your job. What you do or don't do is your decision and your responsibility. Nobody elses.

Exactly so why are you telling me to quit my job and get a wfh job