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To think benefits need to be cut to fund increased spending on defence

918 replies

Viviennemary · 14/06/2026 20:04

This is absolutely necessary. Keir Starmer shouldnt have backed down the last time. But now with the current situation with Russia drastic steps need to be taken. We simply can't afford to sustain the current benefits bill with the armed forces so depleted. The money is needed to increase defence.

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CoffeeAndCats3 · Today 22:07

My parents emigrated in their mid thirties and have never lived in the UK since. They are both late sixties now, and somehow are both still eligible for a UK pension, and are claiming it now, in addition to a pension in the country they moved to.

They don't need this money but are perfectly happy and smug about claiming it. This sort of crap needs to stop - the country can't afford it.

SleeplessInWherever · Today 22:11

Curveygirl · Today 21:48

Having public faith in claims and reducing the calls of people taking the mikey is worth it in my opinion. Hopefully it'll mean that those who genuinely need support will keep it.

As a SENd parent, I am completely uninterested in how much faith the public has in my child’s entitlement to DLA, or whether they think people are “taking the mickey.”

I’m a busy woman, most of us are, and I have absolutely no interest in proving his entitlement to anything, beyond what we already have to do and the various hoops we have to jump through.

If all we would achieve at the end of it is strangers being happier he’s in receipt of disability benefit - consider me not interested.

Plmnki · Today 22:15

No, you are wrong.

what is needed is for tech giants plus Starbucks and others (vision express, spec savers) who indulge in offshoring of profits to be dealt with.

are you one of farages or kemis stooges?

Kirbert2 · Today 22:28

SleeplessInWherever · Today 22:11

As a SENd parent, I am completely uninterested in how much faith the public has in my child’s entitlement to DLA, or whether they think people are “taking the mickey.”

I’m a busy woman, most of us are, and I have absolutely no interest in proving his entitlement to anything, beyond what we already have to do and the various hoops we have to jump through.

If all we would achieve at the end of it is strangers being happier he’s in receipt of disability benefit - consider me not interested.

Exactly how I feel too.

XenoBitch · Today 22:29

CoffeeAndCats3 · Today 22:07

My parents emigrated in their mid thirties and have never lived in the UK since. They are both late sixties now, and somehow are both still eligible for a UK pension, and are claiming it now, in addition to a pension in the country they moved to.

They don't need this money but are perfectly happy and smug about claiming it. This sort of crap needs to stop - the country can't afford it.

That has me wondering about my ex. He left for Nordic realms at 40. Will he be able to claim a UK state pension?

XenoBitch · Today 22:32

NorthXNorthWest · Today 21:28

"Narrative" for a benefit that relies heavily on subjective assessments and that has functional limitations...

All public spending should be subject to rigorous testing and oversight. No system is foolproof, and regular scrutiny is essential to ensure public money is being spent as intended.

It sounds like you think people just go to their GP once, then get PIP.

XenoBitch · Today 22:36

newfriend05 · Today 21:51

I actually thought the 4 point rule they wanted to bring in for PIP was a good idea , most if not all the points under 4 are for prompting… no one needs extra money to be prompted to do something..

I don't.
Not scoring 4 points in any one area of Daily Living meant you would not get that element at all. And the plan is for anyone not claiming Daily Living to be considered fit for work, even if they are on the maximum Mobility element, and score 2s across everything else... and those people could be severely disabled.

NorthXNorthWest · Today 22:44

XenoBitch · Today 22:32

It sounds like you think people just go to their GP once, then get PIP.

It sounds like you don't let the facts get in the way of a good delusion. I guess that's tribalism for you.

Pikachu150 · Today 22:50

CoffeeAndCats3 · Today 22:07

My parents emigrated in their mid thirties and have never lived in the UK since. They are both late sixties now, and somehow are both still eligible for a UK pension, and are claiming it now, in addition to a pension in the country they moved to.

They don't need this money but are perfectly happy and smug about claiming it. This sort of crap needs to stop - the country can't afford it.

They probably paid national insurance contributions for about 20 years though so would be eligible for some (but not a full) uk pension

XenoBitch · Today 22:52

NorthXNorthWest · Today 22:44

It sounds like you don't let the facts get in the way of a good delusion. I guess that's tribalism for you.

I don't get my facts from the Daily Mail.

saraclara · Today 22:53

Curveygirl · 14/06/2026 20:13

Which benefits would you cut?

The ones that OP's fortunate enough not to have to claim.

LathkillDale · Today 23:08

NorthXNorthWest · Today 22:03

I asked Chat GPT what the "official pip fraud" figure could fund...

Even if PIP fraud is only around £100 million, that's still enough money to fund around 2,500 – 3,000 nurses, around 2,000 teachers, around 1,500 police officers, hundreds of new social homes, or a new secondary school. Small percentages can still equate to very large sums of taxpayer money.

Sure, as a line item in the Government's accounts, it may not be considered "material". But in real world terms? £100 million is a substantial sum of money that would have a meaningful impact on the lives of both the vulnerable and ordinary tax payers.

Co-pilot was the same.

Edited

Why not look at the cost to taxpayers of public sector pensions - around £57 billion per annum? There seem to be various estimates of the liabilities now - but £2.6 trillion is one figure I’ve come across several times. About 100% of GDP. It’s the government’s second biggest liability after gilts!

Taxpayers are funding on average 25 - 30% of the employer’s contribution cost in the public sector, when employers make a 6% contribution on average in the private sector.

Why should taxpayers fund pensions for other people, when they themselves don’t get the same?

I’m guessing some in the public sector employees are on NMW like TAs or hospital porters, health care assistants, etc; but a fair few like doctors, nurses, social workers, managers, etc will be earning far more.

Why pick on disabled people, who are likely to have less income than the posters on here baying for benefit cuts; when public sector pensions could be cut to the private sector level?

As for this “the country can’t afford it” - who says? Welfare spending has been between 11 - 13% of GDP in the UK in recent times. DWP spending is 10.6% of GDP at the moment. Less than other countries in Europe, and certainly not out of control!

newfriend05 · Today 23:10

@XenoBitch if you only get 2/ 3 across the board your not severely disabled… and pip is an in work benefit anyway

LathkillDale · Today 23:12

Read:

https://share.google/QtwBITIBTvGtbmcyn

Sorry, they estimate welfare spending to be 10.8% of GDP!

XenoBitch · Today 23:16

newfriend05 · Today 23:10

@XenoBitch if you only get 2/ 3 across the board your not severely disabled… and pip is an in work benefit anyway

I said upthread how PIP should not be a measure of how disabled someone is anyway.... and treated like Top Trumps where people call out the various points and money amounts. Many disabled people do not claim at all for various reasons. I did not for years. I was even told on here that I could not be disabled if I was not on PIP.

Yes, it is in work, but there were (maybe still are) plans to abolish the WCA (and LCW/LCWRA) and link PIP to the ability to work.

LathkillDale · Today 23:24

Look at the profits of the energy companies since privatisation:

https://share.google/8nqkmf2fh47y0TZLx

It’s estimated that in 2024, they made £30 billion in profit - that’s an average of £500 per household pa.

If those companies were still nationalised, your energy bills could be that much lower or those profits could be used to reduce taxes?

Why bleat on how the disabled have to take cuts in income, when you are all paying over the odds for your energy to line shareholders profits?

mumumental · Today 23:24

No, I’m not in favour of taking money from needy people to undertake fighting.

XenoBitch · Today 23:27

LathkillDale · Today 23:24

Look at the profits of the energy companies since privatisation:

https://share.google/8nqkmf2fh47y0TZLx

It’s estimated that in 2024, they made £30 billion in profit - that’s an average of £500 per household pa.

If those companies were still nationalised, your energy bills could be that much lower or those profits could be used to reduce taxes?

Why bleat on how the disabled have to take cuts in income, when you are all paying over the odds for your energy to line shareholders profits?

I am crying tears from Thames Water.

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