To think benefits need to be cut to fund increased spending on defence

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This is absolutely necessary. Keir Starmer shouldnt have backed down the last time. But now with the current situation with Russia drastic steps need to be taken. We simply can't afford to sustain the current benefits bill with the armed forces so depleted. The money is needed to increase defence.

You have repeatedly said people who are disabled can get a job but when its said to you, you think its rude and you run to mumsnet to tell them I've hurt your feelings yet you think namecalling and swearing at someone is appropriate

What do you mean by standard of living?I don't think it is just about money. You could have less money than a disabled person but still have a much better quality of life not only because being disabled costs money in itself but also because being ill and disabled often isn't much fun.

How many times are we gonna go through this? I wrote that you have some skills which are transferable and you could get a job with them, there are others that cannot work at all. I wrote that those with the most severe disabilities should be supported. That isn't repeatedly telling you or anyone else to get a job however much you want it to be.

Well said 👏👏

I have a job for the millionth time why would i get another job. So i should have multiple jobs and you shouldn't work at all so that you can be on mumsnet everyday telling disabled people to get jobs.

This ☝️

Yes, i know that but equally you could have some one working full time with a bad mental health condition who doesn't have the happiest or best time as well compared to somebody who is disabled but is happy in their life.

In terms of standard of living i mean money and availability and access to goods and services. I do believe and have repeatedly stated that everyone should have a basic standard of living; somewhere to live, food to eat, utilities, warmth, childhood education (i'm big on education and believe it changes lives), healthcare to a point- not elective plastic surgery/ turkey teeth etc, clothes, police/ safety, not to be locked up without commiting a crime. (There will be more than this which i've not listed). People working full time should be able to have more than that. Full time work should allow for more than the basics in life; holidays, cars, posh food, posh clothes, private health care, private education (obvs i believe in scholarships for talented kids whose family can't afford it).

People working full time should be able to see the point in that work and a difference to people on full time benefits. As is happening now some people can't see a difference, why work if you're financially very similar to someone who doesn't or only works part time?

The things that matter such as love, friendship etc aren't things which can be given or gained via benefits or work.

Yep.

My son's standard of living will never be the same as someone else his age who isn't disabled even if he had a million pounds in the bank. He'd still be disabled.

I haven't told you to get a job?

You literally wrote you could get a job

But it can cost more to access services if you are disabled and you may need more services to have the same standard of living. Even food can cost more if you are physically disabled. Standard of living is not just down to how much money you have.

Are you sure ? NI is socialised, eg paying a contribution to benefit those in need.

£65 - 70 billion annually - Defence spending -“bottomless pit”.
£300 billion annually - Welfare spending - ?

No you said she can type
on the internet so can get a job. It really doesn’t work like that. It’s incredibly hard to get work with disabilities and additional needs in the mix. And then you have people on MN ranting about reasonable adjustments in work. The disabled can’t win.

With those skills, in direct comparrison to somebody who doesn't have skills required to work, will never work and will always need support.

Which is why i've tried to give a list of the basics that everyone should have. They wouldn't be financially better off if they spent the money on adjustments, they'd only be financially better off if they didn't and pocketed it.

But why would i get a job when I have a job you don't have a job so maybe you should get a job

Yep.

Almost everything is more expensive when you are disabled. Even the basics such as food and clothing can be more expensive.

Being able to type on the internet are not skills that guarantee being able to work.

@youalright So this is the post you've been having a go about for the last few days. Saying you have skills and could get a job if pushed, isn't telling you to get a job and definitely isn't telling you to quit your job. I said that you are not devoid of skills and are employable whereas some people cannot and those need to be supported. The truth is there are people who just aren't able to work under any circumstances, these people do need to continue to be supported as they don't have the option to work at all in any way.

I never said it was

What are you on about, PIP enables many people to work. Are you saying deaf or partially sighted people who aren’t entitled to mobility PIP shouldn’t get it,or anybody on the huge list of disabilities that don’t qualify for mobility, because that’s bonkers.

How do know that they are not spending the money on "adjustments"?

How on Earth have you translated what I wrote into that?

Because you are not making any sense and backtrack on inflammatory statements !!!!

What are you saying????

Why on earth would you not support the disabled just because they might be able to work?