Today in Brighton the facsists turned up. Brighton barely let them out of the station. Well done Brighton !

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I want to live there

I believe it applies to anyone who disagrees with being called a fascist, whilst making fascist comments.
I also include anyone not condemning Tommeh and his goons inciting hatred.
Not necessarily people who are concerned with the negative aspects.
But it's how you show that concern which is the real answer.
Burning people out of their homes because of their colour... definitely.
Not wanting certain people to live near them purely based on colour or race, definitely again.

I think the Henry Nowak case was a major turning point. Obviously not for the immigration issue but a general feeling that UK citizens are seeing a massive change that is leaving them feel defenceless. I don't mind being called a racist fascist because the group of people shouting it I have no respect for. I know I'm on the right side if a young lady being stabbed so ferociously in the head moves me more than protecting waves of unvetted men. Two things can be true at once argument doesn't wash anymore for the left. They tried that with anti-semitism/anti-zionism.

Using an Italian system of government from a century ago as an insult is fast becoming meaningless. A lot of people realise unlimited immigration from countries where women aren’t allowed out alone is the real threat to our way of life, Brighton being a home for all things lgbt would do well to remember that. Goddam turkeys voting for Christmas

if there ever was a system rather than one person, one vote; and certain groups of people couldn’t vote; top of my list to be denied the vote would absolutely be those who are never affected by the policies they chant for. So, privileged, trust funded, students who have never worked a day in their life, live in gated and locked secure houses, and don’t mingle where there is poverty - they would be denied a vote on the basis that they don’t have a flipping clue. It just isn’t fair. Their virtue signal voting puts those at risk, at more risk, and they just don’t understand. The leftie marches where an interviewer asks ‘so, could they live in your house’ and the answer every single time is ‘obviously not my house because x, someone else’s’ . It would be hilarious if only their votes didn’t count as much as the people who are impacted.

I’m not that poster, but Dorset has a relatively lower percentage of foreign nationals living there than some other areas. So it’s quite likely the figures would be lower than average.

I think the big issue here is that people have been trying to have reasonable conversations about this for years but the increasingly loud voices on the left just kept expanding the definition of racism and fascist until it encompassed the reasonable people with perfectly valid concerns and experiences and drowned them out too.

The Prime Minister and many in his cabinet have exacerbated this by personally attacking and vilifying people and tarring everyone on marches or views posted online with the same brush.

Which ironically is what they regularly (and generally wrongly) accuse us of doing to the migrant population.

The public unrest we are now seeing is a direct result of government actions. It will only get worse as the gap between the extreme left thinkers (open borders, no management of men entering our country to increase public safety , and a refusal to address the myriad related issues.

If people on the left genuinely want a reasonable conversation about this, they have to stop screaming ‘racist’ and ‘fascist’ at us like PPs on this thread have done.

No ever listens to disadvantaged people on any subject, do they? Least of all the right who until they discovered the value of harnessing their discontent to serve their own agenda dismissed, disparaged and exploited them.
When has a right wing party in the UK ever cared about whether people in deprived neighbourhoods are well housed, have enough money, are safe on their streets? All the right does is take from them. Begrudge them social housing and benefits, oppose protections for renters and low paid workers, cut services they depend on, make them worse off in every way to serve the interests of the wealthy, and then blame them for their own lack of hard work.
Anyone who believes any of the incredibly wealthy right wing who are 'speaking for them' has the slightest interest in listening to them on any other subject than this is going to have a big shock if they ever give them power.

100% agree.
People can condemn protesters all they want but people have been trying to have a reasonable conversation about immigration for years now and getting ignored. What else are people meant to do at this point?

And this is level of delusion and disconnect that will continue to enrage people to such an extent to make Nigel Farage sound sensible and sane.

Any stretch and reach to support the "No Problems here keep coming brigade"

Well said. I remember a few years ago thinking this social unrest was inevitable. The amount of backlash was typical of course. But there’s no way what we’re seeing wasn’t foreseeable.

Politicians such as Starmer using far right and racist as a reverse attack won’t cut it.

Indeed and it is Starmer that is unwittingly inciting the rioters, which is the biggest irony going!

Thought Brexit was going to sort all your ‘concerns’ out Nige.

And those on the right who don't want to be dismissed as racist, need to disassociate from the racists rather than pretend that everyone is just moderate reasonable and 'concerned' while simultaneously hanging off SYL and his ilk.
I'm on the left, very happy to have a conversation with respectful intelligent people, whether they agree with me or not. But the aggression, the groundless accusations of not condemning violence, the insults, sneering and laugh emoji in place of intelligent rebuttal from the right on here really grinds my gears.
And that's just on here. I'm certainly not going to be listening to someone out there who communicates via the medium of arson.

Oh dear. Are you the I see Nigel everywhere poster à la Sixth Sense

Cool. So I haven’t listened to anything Tommy Robinson has said so I can’t reasonably condemn something I haven’t heard.

I have great concerns about many practical and cultural aspects of mass immigration.

I condemn burning peoples houses for any reason which explicitly includes reasons of racism.

I am less interested in the colour or race of people living close to me but large numbers of people from cultures utterly opposed to Western values and from countries where violence is so endemic that they bring it with them (possibly without realising) near me when they impinge on our lives is a problem that I want to discuss.

So am I a fascist by your reckoning?

I would say so. You're not looking at individuals are you? You have a blanket opinion of people, as you say yourself. People from countries where violence is endemic.
Have you thought these people are escaping this violence? Who wants to live in fear of violence?
Vigilantes on our street is not the answer.
Knuckle draggers are angry at the wrong people.

The only people associating us with the racists are the ones that want to shut down all conversation.

This is the trans debate all over again. False and spurious accusations of being ‘far right’ because the left deplatformed everyone so comprehensively that the only platforms left were those deemed ‘far right’ (like the Telegraph among others) and then many of us were smeared as ‘far right’ by association.

pretend that everyone is just moderate reasonable and 'concerned' while simultaneously hanging off SYL and his ilk.

Is that a sly dig at me? I have said repeatedly that I haven’t listened to anything he says. I have never associated myself with him, that is all coming from the left. Why is it my responsibility to disassociate myself ?

This constant accusation is just another attempt to shut down conversation and smear us all.

But the aggression, the groundless accusations of not condemning violence, the insults, sneering and laugh emoji in place of intelligent rebuttal from the right on here really grinds my gears.

Weird, until I saw the word ‘right’ I thought you were describing on the people on the left in this debate. Aggression, sneering, constant and spurious accusations of ‘racist’ ‘fascist’ and nothing intelligent to say on the matter. I’ve seen a number of examples on this thread - are we reading the same thread?

So true.

I agree with you completely.

These are the dying echoes of a movement that has lost. I don’t want Reform, or Restore. I didn’t want it to come to this. I couldn’t care less about the colour of somebody’s skin, or hair, or what religion they are. It makes no difference to me whatsoever.

But there are absolutely valid, evidenced concerns about immigration, so numerous and so evidenced that carrying on with high levels of unchecked immigration is insanity.

As I said before -

94 people have been killed since the year 2000 through extreme Islamist terrorism. That doesn’t include other killings by mentally unstable or deeply misogynistic immigrants from very violent, woman oppressing countries. I don’t know what number it would be if we did, I’m guessing well over 100.

By comparison, I can count 4 people who have been killed by ‘ultra right’ Neo Nazi style attacks.

That’s not the say the latter is a concern, but there’s very little comparison to be made.

That's because this board has comments from all over the UK.

What the 50/50 on the vote shows that in the real world half of people think that your post is silly, very localised and, at best, misguided.

Hope that helps.

No it shows that Reform bots are very much alive and alert. Sooo easy to swipe in and click on a vote button with little substance. Oh that sounds familiar….

Ah right! That must be it! 😂

Thank you.

So you have just smeared our Home Secretary, most of the mainstream media and most of the country as fascist - you have rendered the word completely meaningless.

There is nothing fascist about wanting to discuss how we distinguish the perpetrators of the extreme and endemic violence from the victims.

As an example, we now have a scenario where Iranians refugees in the UK are being violently attacked by IRGC who have also travelled as ‘refugees’ to this country.

We need a conversation about how we deal with that. You appear to have fallen into the very common left wing thinking failure that ALL refugees or asylum seekers are innocent citizens fleeing the violence and therefore will be model citizens here.

It appears that you are the one not looking at individuals.

94 people have been killed since the year 2000 through extreme Islamist terrorism. That doesn’t include other killings by mentally unstable or deeply misogynistic immigrants from very violent, woman oppressing countries. I don’t know what number it would be if we did, I’m guessing well over 100.
By comparison, I can count 4 people who have been killed by ‘ultra right’ Neo Nazi style attacks.

^ Can anyone comment on this bit who is ‘more worried about the right wing than immigration’?

I think maybe if we unpick it a little bit:

Someone saying 'migrants welcome' isn't saying 'we want loads of illegal immigrants'.

Someone saying 'we want to live in a society where people can thrive and be protected by the law of the land' isn't saying 'i hate them all, let's light a bonfire'.

The problem is that these people are talking past each other because media personalities are misrepresenting the real concerns of the average British citizen for their own gains.

One of the things I love about my country is that we are a nation of reasonable people. One of the things that I hate about the current stuff around Reform and Raise the Colours is that it's so divisive. We're not like this. We're not Americans.