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To let you know the axe and machete girl WAS defending herself against her now convicted attacker.

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alittleprivacy · 11/06/2026 20:22

A lot of posters here need to see the conclusion of this story about the clearly terrified child, that so many people were quick to be awful about. You all owe this extremely vulnerable child you participated in the defamation of, a massive fucking apology. I'm genuinely so angry about how so many grown women denigrated a hurt and scared child. Her fear was so evident in her voice and demeanor and so many mothers here were quick to throw her under a bus. Well you've all been proven wrong now, with the man she was trying to defend herself from found guilty of assault.

Honestly, just think about what you people did, defending a man who assaulted a child just because she was of a class you deem beneath you. I hope you're very, very ashamed and take stock before more girls like her suffer worse.

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/uk/bulgarian-man-guilty-of-assaulting-12-year-old-girl/a/156878498.html

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Clavinova · Yesterday 10:58

ChunkyMonkey36
I wouldn’t have mine sat on a street corner regardless, with or without an axe.

The court was told that the girls were walking to a bus stop when they came across the defendant. Is walking to a bus stop not allowed either?

ChunkyMonkey36 · Yesterday 11:00

Teethyblinders · Yesterday 10:54

Cool you never properly answered my questions it was all just outrage at the prospect of a victim defending themselves anyway.
My parents were lovely but they were too old and fat to defend me however I won’t be.

There are answers that aren’t punching 12 year olds, or giving them knives.

It is sort of your responsibility as a parent to find them.

I’m not going to spoon feed you how not to allow your children to carry weapons, or how to prevent them sitting in parks, or how to personally not attack children.

You can make it out of our upbringings without thinking it okay to carry weapons or hit children. @ArmySal and I are evidence of that, I’m sorry you didn’t manage the same.

ChunkyMonkey36 · Yesterday 11:02

Clavinova · Yesterday 10:58

ChunkyMonkey36
I wouldn’t have mine sat on a street corner regardless, with or without an axe.

The court was told that the girls were walking to a bus stop when they came across the defendant. Is walking to a bus stop not allowed either?

Not with an axe (sorry, hatchet) it isn’t, no.

Clavinova · Yesterday 11:04

ChunkyMonkey36 · Yesterday 10:18

Can I just point out that the argument on here tends to be that Asians are dangerous because grooming gangs.

This man was Bulgarian. We can’t use Muslim grooming gangs as the reason for everything.

How can you tell the man's religion?

Asked if he said "hello sexy" to the girls or "I'll show you a good time", he replied "No, I swear on my god."

Who is he referring to as 'my god'?

Teethyblinders · Yesterday 11:05

ChunkyMonkey36 · Yesterday 11:00

There are answers that aren’t punching 12 year olds, or giving them knives.

It is sort of your responsibility as a parent to find them.

I’m not going to spoon feed you how not to allow your children to carry weapons, or how to prevent them sitting in parks, or how to personally not attack children.

You can make it out of our upbringings without thinking it okay to carry weapons or hit children. @ArmySal and I are evidence of that, I’m sorry you didn’t manage the same.

As I said it shouldn’t be necessary, if where I currently live stays as it is. But if I have to defend my children I absolutely will. And won’t just sit on my haunches thinking the useless police would do anything (how naive you are!)

I wasn’t aware children were not allowed to sit in parks? Parks are literally built for children! What about the grown man lurking around little girls?

ChunkyMonkey36 · Yesterday 11:06

Clavinova · Yesterday 11:04

How can you tell the man's religion?

Asked if he said "hello sexy" to the girls or "I'll show you a good time", he replied "No, I swear on my god."

Who is he referring to as 'my god'?

I don’t know, do you know?

His god isn’t really relevant to him being a predator. I don’t think he was there.

Clavinova · Yesterday 11:06

ChunkyMonkey36 · Yesterday 11:02

Not with an axe (sorry, hatchet) it isn’t, no.

In your post I replied to you said 'with or without an axe'. Make up your mind.

ChunkyMonkey36 · Yesterday 11:08

Clavinova · Yesterday 11:06

In your post I replied to you said 'with or without an axe'. Make up your mind.

To be honest, in this day and age - no, I wouldn’t send my kids out to get on a bus somewhere.

I’d take them.

I think the days of independently and aimlessly just going out with your mates and making your own way around are over, and have been for some time.

If there’s any chance my kids would come into contact with a peer with a knife, they wouldn’t be going. So in this circumstance, they wouldn’t be in that group of girls.

Clavinova · Yesterday 11:09

ChunkyMonkey36 · Yesterday 11:06

I don’t know, do you know?

His god isn’t really relevant to him being a predator. I don’t think he was there.

I don’t know, do you know?

No, I don't but your post claims he is not a Muslim. How do you know?

ChunkyMonkey36 · Yesterday 11:10

Clavinova · Yesterday 11:09

I don’t know, do you know?

No, I don't but your post claims he is not a Muslim. How do you know?

Some things, aren’t about Muslims.

I’m also at least fairly confident, that if he was - the press would have latched onto that by now, because you know - popular debate.

Clavinova · Yesterday 11:15

ChunkyMonkey36 · Yesterday 11:10

Some things, aren’t about Muslims.

I’m also at least fairly confident, that if he was - the press would have latched onto that by now, because you know - popular debate.

Some things, aren’t about Muslims

You raised the point.

I’m also at least fairly confident, that if he was - the press would have latched onto that by now

Unless he is a practising Muslim I don't see how they would know either way.

bilbohaggins · Yesterday 11:16

Technically threatening someone with a knife is a crime, so the police could have charged the girl beyond possession and they don’t seem to have. The fact that the man has been charged despite all the media blaming her shows he was the aggressor. And he was the aggressor before she brought out a weapon.

as a child, we need to ask ourselves about how she was brutalised like this rather than somehow equating her level of wrongdoing to that of an adult man.

all the people demonising the child on this and seeking to find ways she might be racist - I’d bet you’d be trying to excuse the child a lot more if the races were reversed and that you’re not equally keen on some of the measures targeting knife crime that disproportionately affect young black men…

JHound · Yesterday 11:17

alittleprivacy · 11/06/2026 20:22

A lot of posters here need to see the conclusion of this story about the clearly terrified child, that so many people were quick to be awful about. You all owe this extremely vulnerable child you participated in the defamation of, a massive fucking apology. I'm genuinely so angry about how so many grown women denigrated a hurt and scared child. Her fear was so evident in her voice and demeanor and so many mothers here were quick to throw her under a bus. Well you've all been proven wrong now, with the man she was trying to defend herself from found guilty of assault.

Honestly, just think about what you people did, defending a man who assaulted a child just because she was of a class you deem beneath you. I hope you're very, very ashamed and take stock before more girls like her suffer worse.

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/uk/bulgarian-man-guilty-of-assaulting-12-year-old-girl/a/156878498.html

Good that he was found guilty but I am also not supporting those who carry knives and axes.

Honeyhonay · Yesterday 11:17

bilbohaggins · Yesterday 11:16

Technically threatening someone with a knife is a crime, so the police could have charged the girl beyond possession and they don’t seem to have. The fact that the man has been charged despite all the media blaming her shows he was the aggressor. And he was the aggressor before she brought out a weapon.

as a child, we need to ask ourselves about how she was brutalised like this rather than somehow equating her level of wrongdoing to that of an adult man.

all the people demonising the child on this and seeking to find ways she might be racist - I’d bet you’d be trying to excuse the child a lot more if the races were reversed and that you’re not equally keen on some of the measures targeting knife crime that disproportionately affect young black men…

You think people would think it was okay if a black child was carrying an axe and the issue is shes white with an axe? …really??

JHound · Yesterday 11:18

bilbohaggins · Yesterday 11:16

Technically threatening someone with a knife is a crime, so the police could have charged the girl beyond possession and they don’t seem to have. The fact that the man has been charged despite all the media blaming her shows he was the aggressor. And he was the aggressor before she brought out a weapon.

as a child, we need to ask ourselves about how she was brutalised like this rather than somehow equating her level of wrongdoing to that of an adult man.

all the people demonising the child on this and seeking to find ways she might be racist - I’d bet you’d be trying to excuse the child a lot more if the races were reversed and that you’re not equally keen on some of the measures targeting knife crime that disproportionately affect young black men…

I also have an issue with black boys carrying knives.

Hope that helps.

JHound · Yesterday 11:18

Honeyhonay · Yesterday 11:17

You think people would think it was okay if a black child was carrying an axe and the issue is shes white with an axe? …really??

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Yeah I chuckled at that too.

Clavinova · Yesterday 11:21

ChunkyMonkey36 · Yesterday 11:08

To be honest, in this day and age - no, I wouldn’t send my kids out to get on a bus somewhere.

I’d take them.

I think the days of independently and aimlessly just going out with your mates and making your own way around are over, and have been for some time.

If there’s any chance my kids would come into contact with a peer with a knife, they wouldn’t be going. So in this circumstance, they wouldn’t be in that group of girls.

To be honest, in this day and age - no, I wouldn’t send my kids out to get on a bus somewhere.

This incident happened in August last year. Why is the current Labour government proposing to fund free bus travel for children up to age 16 in August this year, with unlimited journeys, encouraging young tweens/teens to put themselves in danger?

ChunkyMonkey36 · Yesterday 11:22

Clavinova · Yesterday 11:15

Some things, aren’t about Muslims

You raised the point.

I’m also at least fairly confident, that if he was - the press would have latched onto that by now

Unless he is a practising Muslim I don't see how they would know either way.

Nope, I didn’t.

PP compared this case to the grooming gang scandal, despite their being absolutely no link, claiming that white girls don’t trust the police because of it, even when the person attacking them isn’t Pakistani.

I didn’t just throw some Muslims into the conversation, a completely false equivalence was made.

Some people at the moment will go to absolutely any lengths to make any conversation about what is rightfully wrong about the grooming gangs. Or, as PP also did, try to make a white girl in Scotland with a hatchet about black boys in London.

Secretseverywhere · Yesterday 11:22

Teethyblinders · Yesterday 10:46

Yeah and the uk is also a country. Containing Scotland Northern Ireland wales and England.

The U.K. is a state not a country.

ChunkyMonkey36 · Yesterday 11:22

Clavinova · Yesterday 11:21

To be honest, in this day and age - no, I wouldn’t send my kids out to get on a bus somewhere.

This incident happened in August last year. Why is the current Labour government proposing to fund free bus travel for children up to age 16 in August this year, with unlimited journeys, encouraging young tweens/teens to put themselves in danger?

I’m afraid you’d have to ask them, I’m not a government official, nor do I have any links to them.

Secretseverywhere · Yesterday 11:25

Clavinova · Yesterday 11:21

To be honest, in this day and age - no, I wouldn’t send my kids out to get on a bus somewhere.

This incident happened in August last year. Why is the current Labour government proposing to fund free bus travel for children up to age 16 in August this year, with unlimited journeys, encouraging young tweens/teens to put themselves in danger?

Kids in Scotland do get free bus travel with their young Scot’s card. I don’t really think it’s the bus that is the issue.

extrabeans · Yesterday 11:26

Secretseverywhere · Yesterday 11:22

The U.K. is a state not a country.

The UK is a country.
Scotland is also a country.
I'm not sure what relevance this has to anything though?

MrsColinRobinson · Yesterday 11:27

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Honeyhonay · Yesterday 11:28

extrabeans · Yesterday 11:26

The UK is a country.
Scotland is also a country.
I'm not sure what relevance this has to anything though?

About the same relevance as the initial comment, which was basically that it’s fine for people and girls to carry axes because there were grooming gangs in Rochdale.

Naunet · Yesterday 11:29

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Repulsive isn't it, all these grown adults, getting their lols out of this little girls situation, and then they wonder why she resorted to carrying a weapon...