AIBU to think USA has gone crazy - Karmelo Anthony is a murderer not a victim

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From what I have read, Karmelo Anthony (who is black African American) took a concealed knife to a track event. When it started raining he ran to another team's tent to shelter. He was told to leave by a white athlete called Austin Metcalfe. KA refused saying ' 'Touch me and see what happens', According to one account I read he was repeatedly told to leave and replied the same way each time. Austin Metcalfe then pushed KA to get him to leave and KA pulled out the knife and stabbed AM in the chest, killing him.

Apparently sections of America are outraged that KA has now been convicted of murder. Possible sentence range in America is 5 to 99 years for this offence and he got 35 years.

I don't understand how this is not murder. In UK law if you can run away you must, and he didn't. In UK law if you kill someone when you could have run, you will be tried for murder.

KA took a knife. He could have left (even if he thought it was a dick move to ask him to leave when it was raining - you can't murder people for being dickish about their gazebo) but chose to not to, escalating the situation with threatening language and then stabbed a young man in the chest.

I just think something has gone terribly wrong in USA society where this man is treated as a victim, not the person who he killed, and this case is regarded as an injustice against him. I hope the UK does not go down this route.

He did not ‘escalate’ it. He tried to remove him. Massive difference that only you are pretending not to understand.

You are a riot. I’m not a troll. You couldn’t even read two sentences in a link correctly or you gleefully misreported on them as a troll does and challenge me to post more evidence and when I post the link to the report in the news article the evidence you challenged me to provide, you then pretend again I’m a troll. Give over. You aren’t fooling anyone.

You’re absolutely desperate to downplay the killer’s role in this but it’s not working on us, I’m afraid.

Yes he was a bright lad with a good future ahead of him. It’s a crying shame he threw it all away by playing the big man by carrying a knife and then whipping it out. If he had punched him and been apologetic, I would be able to understand and think he deserved another chance. But he didn’t, he murdered him. Ffs

Physical force is still physical force.
That is factually an escalation.
The motivation doesn’t change the fact it was an escalation.

He turned himself in and was apologetic.
You seem to enjoy demonising a young Black man.
Yes he killed another young man and he should go to prison for it.
But to call it 1st degree murder is not justice,

You can’t just kill someone because they push you. A sorry won’t cut it.

The knife was a multi tool with a torch a 6 in 1 multi tool ..sold at Walmart

Everything is a little more complicated than the simplistics try to claim ..there are nuances …that this mob like reaction overlooks to fit personal agendas

You guys do know the difference between murder and manslaughter? And the 3 degrees of murder?

So did George Floyd escalate his own death? Because he escalated by resisting the police didn’t he? Did Trayvon Martin, because he escalated by getting into an altercation with George Zimmerman? Did Renee Good escalate her own death by driving toward the police?

You are distorting because when you present it like this, it’s presented as if a white boy goes about randomly shoving people, whereas a black boy only using his words. Oh look, you are racist as you think the black not was worse.

But that isn’t what happened. One boy came with a knife, repeatedly refused to leave, repeatedly ignored the de-escalation attempts of ‘I won’t fight you’ , and kept on goading verbally ‘touch me and see what happens’ and refusing to move till he was pushed to get him out of their space. It’s a racial lens that tries to pretend the white boy was the greater aggressor. Everyone else can see one was spoiling for a fight and the other trying to avoid a fight and just trying to get the other to go away.

Just remembered I had this once at school. Two girls following me around goading and calling me names all play time. Wouldn’t go away. Till in the end I pushed one of them to make them stop and go away, and her face lit up in delight as she had got what she wanted and ran off to get me in trouble with the teacher.

One is the aggressor. One is wanting it to stop. If they had both been white or both been black no one would have have any trouble telling which was which.

It was a blade. He carried it. He used it to kill somebody. It could’ve been obtained from a Happy Meal for all I care - the fact is he used a knife to stab somebody to death.

They are all murders too..did they get 35 years ?

Its the difference that is being protested

Well you’re missing some facts there in those cases as two of those didn’t do any escalation at all.

But no, escalation doesn’t mean you have caused or deserved further escalation.

*You’re.

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Enjoy your right wing views and hating the left wing nutters! Wait, I have to add emojis don’t I?! 😉☺️🥳

P.S I didn’t get any more traction because I was right. Now, I won’t be reading any more of your infantile replies, but let loose.

And yet here you are, writing excuses that very much read that way.

Ah well ..we part ways because I believe in justice not kangaroo courts..I believe in an examination of the evidence and sentencing guidelines so prejudices isn’t evident in the OUTCOMES of convictions

They should have, IMO. But did they escalate their own death?

Which is exactly what he got; so don’t worry.

You said that last time 😂

Except that in the US carrying a knife isn’t the criminal activity we see it as in the UK. Most blue collar workers and Boy Scouts carry these multi-tools and no one thinks anything of it. In several states, you can openly carry a gun and no one thinks you’re up to no good. You need to think a bit more about the cultural context of the US and subcultural context of Texas.

They’ve considered that and sentenced him to 35 years.

They really don’t read that way. That’s your bias again. You’re not reading who I am responding to and what they have written.

You talk about others minimizing but here you seem to be minimizing a blade that was capable of killing another human, and did.

You talk about others minimizing but here you seem to be minimizing a blade that was capable of killing another human, and did.

The word used is ‘provoke’ ….the victim in this case certain was fairly unpleasant being aggressive to someone seeking shelter, speaking to them rudely, demanding they leave and then putting hands on them…the rest is for a jury of his peers

An all black jury trying a white man would never be seen as acceptable ..the arguments her overlook he was convicted ..it is the sentence and context that is being protested