"Race-based pogrom" and "huge act of self-harm by mindless idiots who are actually only damaging their own futures".

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Northern Ireland's First Minister Michelle O'Neill says "groups of masked men" were "burning families out of their homes"

One pastor in north Belfast says black people's homes were targeted, while an MP tells the BBC there was a "race-based pogrom"

The PSNI Chief Constable Jon Boutcher says the violent disorder in Belfast was a "huge act of self-harm by mindless idiots who are actually only damaging their own futures".

I agree with all the quotes. Sick of mindless racist thugs and their 'protests', where they look like they are enjoying themselves while they commit violence and set fire to things.

I think @dartmoordays is quite right to cross examine someone who replies to a post on racist pogroms with "I support action for communities". It's great that we've established that @Purplerocket doesn't suppose firebombing, but I am still curious about what forms of "action" short of pogroms they do support.

Tell MNHQ that there’s an issue with how their website displays on safari? I can’t fix it!

My victim? Huh?

Yes and tolerated to keep the peace, maybe this is part of the problem. The burning of effigies of politicians, burning the Irish flag etc is let go so of course that behaviour will just get worse and worse when it goes unchecked or unchallenged. I understand why, to keep the fragile peace from blowing up, but there is consequences from that I feel.

I did like that some reports are saying "groups of men". Labelling their male violence as it is.

Yes, but after repeat quoting the text starts narrowing and elongating to single letters - it’s unreadable. MNHQ were supposed to looking into it for a workaround (like they did with the issue of posters quoting extremely long opening posts just to say ‘I agree’ or ‘this’ - they truncated the opening posts to a few lines with the option to expand).

It’s still sitting in Site Stuff.

Sometimes it’s better for two posters having a lengthy exchange to start a new one to keep the nesting manageable for posters reading on the mobile site or app.

Are you referring to the anti immigrant rally outside government buildings attended by a few hundred people looking for a referendum on the EU migration pact? Not a fan of rally but I do support their right to peacefully protest. So I hardly think it points to anti immigrant feeling being strong in Dublin. Let's not twist or misrepresent things.

I’m glad you have said that. The use of ‘communities’ is disingenuous.

I’m in the app and it’s fine

This is exactly how many many law abiding people feel.

We work, we behave, we've never wanted anybody to get hurt but because of that we are totally impotent. Even the law abiding are now so sick of what is happening that we are starting to speak up. In the past I would have had no interest in getting involved in anything where people could say "racist" but if there was a peaceful protest near me I would be there.

Politicians haven't listened to concerns when they have been expressed quietly and now more people are getting loud and I completely understand why. The "keep your beak out while we investigate all the facts" is getting old. It would be no surprise to me if the chap was out in 10 years with a new identity that's where our justice is at. People are right to be angry (but not right to be violent). I am raging about the people being allowed into the country. I am also raging that these people, their behaviour and our politicians letting them in is increasing racism and making black family members and friends less safe.

The people behind it are not even northern Irish. My sister works for a charity with volunteers in Belfast, all of whom have cited Tommy Ten Names's travelling band of utter knuckle dragging wankfelons.

Do you know what's increasing racism? Racists. Including law abiding ones who would simply never...

"The people" being let into your country are as diverse as your lot, in terms of their contributions to society and their propensity for violence.

Blaming immigrants - even the violent ones - for racism is like blaming Israel for anti-Semitism. I'm no fan of Israel, but anti-Semitism is the fault of anti-Semites.

It would make a difference to how safe people feel and how safe they are.

If they all vanished a year ago instead of tomorrow a fair few people would still be alive/not the victim of rape/attack wouldn't they?

I expect most British people would gladly pay double what we pay to keep these people to keep them out.

I'm suggesting in some countries if they tell you to get out you'd fucking leave or face the consequences.

Technically, you don’t need a passport if you meet the conditions. However, I think it was once described as a catch 22. You need to show that you are eligible, in order to prove eligibility.

I tested that once on arrival in Dublin airport after a flight from London. In the airport, we came to a Garda/ Customs booth/check, manned by a lady. OH showed his passport and went through. It was very quiet, with no queue. I forget if the lady asked for passport or id. Anyway, I said ‘I don’t need to show my passport; I’m Irish and I’ve come from London’. I have to say, the look of sheer fortitude on her face was a testament to her character. ‘I need to see proof that you have come from London, and ID’, she very calmly replied. I showed her my ticket which showed the place of departure, and my driving licence (which showed my place of birth etc). We were all happy, and I was waved through. She never asked me to produce a passport. I haven’t felt the need to do this again. My point was proven.

I am surprised that you say it is different now. Considering Ireland is not in Schengen.

They're not housed in detention centres unless and until an asylum claim is refused, they're on the list for deportation AND the HO believe there is a chance they will flee

Asylum seekers, once processed are provided with NASS accommodation. These might be houses, hotels, converted offices. They're not detained anywhere, they're free to come and go.

Rioting is never the answer to anything, it's always just an excuse for mindless violence by a bunch of thugs.

You can stop working, you’ll be entitled to
benefits too

Mine doesnt show like that at all. I can read the post very easily

That's the other Irish, not the ones rioting and terrifying local residents.

The gov needs to sort immigration -it’s daft to complain when millions have been allowed to come into the country - many unrecorded - fix immigration then complain when people march or riot.
These troublemakers don’t need much of an excuse to riot. Remove the excuse.

What do you mean “I’m surprised you say it’s different now” ? I didn’t say it was any different?

I read that comment as in that we can't return Afghan and Sudanese failed asylum seekers

For obvious non-refoulment reasons

So you want to carry on accepting unlimited numbers of men from Sudan, Syria and Afganistan who will not be returned? You don't think polititians and the behaviour of these men has led to communities that previously didn't have integration problems to be up in arms. I hope you have a HMO of these people move in next door to you so you can be so holier than thou when it is you that feels unsafe.

Oh well I read it meaning that if someone comes to the UK, they will more than not, get given refugee status from those countries and therefore are not likely to have any deportation.

Could be read either way I suppose.

Failed asylum seekers are sometimes detained but not usually, its not practical.