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to be utterly sick of protests, marches, rallies, and riots

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NameChangeMay2026 · Today 01:47

What happened today in Belfast was dreadful. Of course it was.

When Sarah Everard died, there were marches. But a day before she died, an Indian woman Sarah's age was knifed to death in the street in Leicestershire. It was an "honour" killing, I think.

Where was HER lantern on the doorstep of Downing Street? Where was HER march?

My point is, dreadful things happen every day and I am so sick and tired of news items sparking so much public rowdiness. It used to be that the media could report on current events without starting a riot. I know that we have always had riots, but they were the occasional one. And because they were not common, they helped effect change. They were a desperate measure reserved for when nothing else had helped.

Now, together with marches, rallies, and protests, society is constantly disrupted, and I am so, so sick of it. I live in a major city and I can't go anywhere without checking what march, rally, protest, or riot is happening, especially at the weekends. And they are so common that they don't help effect change anymore.

The riots are terrible. Thousands and thousands of pounds' worth of lost property in fires, injured bystanders, police calld away from other duties to attend them. And there are "professional" rabble-rousers who travel to marches, protests, and riots. It's not because they're passionate about a cause. They're just passionate about causing trouble.

I travel for work to major American cities and it's even worse over there. Another day, another riot/protest/march/rally.

They have become a feature of today's society, and I wish they would just stop.

Edit: I actually stay in more because of them. I don't go out of my hotel as much when staying in America, and I don't go to the city centre where I live as much. It's so bad when regular people are put off from walking around city centres because of all these annoying dickheads.

I think it is worse in America, and I'm tired of feeling scared to go out when there, in case I run into an uncontrolled crowd - where the police have guns, and the protestors might, depending on the state.

The burning buildings in Belfast are a disgrace. It's not the owners' fault that this happened.

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toiletpaperthief · Today 15:17

ArabellaScott · Today 15:12

Aye. Social unrest is difficult, dangerous, and damaging.

We should all be asking how we got to this point, and what is the route through.

The answer is not more authoritarianism.

The rioters get an invoice for destroyed property, no take out kebab or gamebox for the next 2 years and will need to work extra hours to pay. Watch how they will think twice before burning down other peoples stuff.

Jellox · Today 15:17

Dandelionsalad · Today 15:09

Broadmoor is a secure hospital for treatment, not punishment, it is not part of the justice system.

Broadmoor is a high security unit for people who are too mentally unwell for regular prison and would be a danger to be put in a normal psychiatric unit.

Forensic psychiatric units house criminals but they’re seen as criminals who ‘can’t help it’ due to MH.

Someone who is clinically insane would not be able to go to a regular prison so they would go to Broadmoor or another psychiatric high security unit.

Dandelionsalad · Today 15:18

toiletpaperthief · Today 15:13

Sorry was not aware, substitute "Broadmoor" for a psychiatric jail where they can lock up this guy. If you deport this wacko back to his country he might probably get into another dingy and come back.

No such thing as a psychiatric jail. You have jail where you serve your sentence as determined by the judge and politicians, or you have secure psychiatric hospitals where you receive treatment until you are better and then you are released. If you get better quickly you can be released very quickly, or you might never be released, but that is determined by your mental health and not what you might have done prior to being sent there.

Bedlingtonwarrior · Today 15:18

Enoch Powell's famous speech about "Rivers of blood" is coming to fruition.
Look it up if not familiar with it.

PinkandPerky · Today 15:19

EasternStandard · Today 15:10

Do you know what’s happening in Sudan? There’s a lot of violence inflicted on many people.

It's estimated that between 1% and 4% of the worlds population possess the psychopathic brain phenotype.

If you are wanting to start a war, you could convince 1 in a 100 people to be recruited to your cause (1 in 22 people in the worse case scenario) and fight for you.

I do believe warmongers are practiced and skilled at spotting and recruiting psychopaths to carry out their very dirtiest of work.

ijustwanttoworkout · Today 15:19

Dandelionsalad · Today 15:18

No such thing as a psychiatric jail. You have jail where you serve your sentence as determined by the judge and politicians, or you have secure psychiatric hospitals where you receive treatment until you are better and then you are released. If you get better quickly you can be released very quickly, or you might never be released, but that is determined by your mental health and not what you might have done prior to being sent there.

If you no longer meet the requirements of the hospital you then go to normal prison.

ArabellaScott · Today 15:21

toiletpaperthief · Today 15:17

The rioters get an invoice for destroyed property, no take out kebab or gamebox for the next 2 years and will need to work extra hours to pay. Watch how they will think twice before burning down other peoples stuff.

Whit?

I'm not talking about rioters. The rioters are symptomatic of far deeper problems.

Dandelionsalad · Today 15:26

Jellox · Today 15:17

Broadmoor is a high security unit for people who are too mentally unwell for regular prison and would be a danger to be put in a normal psychiatric unit.

Forensic psychiatric units house criminals but they’re seen as criminals who ‘can’t help it’ due to MH.

Someone who is clinically insane would not be able to go to a regular prison so they would go to Broadmoor or another psychiatric high security unit.

Not quite. You might be sent there from prison and then later returned to prison if you were deemed to have capacity at the time of the offence and became very ill later - just like you might go to a normal hospital if you have a heart attack in prison. But if you are deemed not to have had capacity at the time of the offence then you don’t get sentenced/don’t go to prison. Instead you are sent to a secure psychiatric hospital (eg Broadmoor or Carstairs) for treatment until you are well. Broadmoor is not a prison and not everyone there has committed a criminal offence, some people are just very ill. Indeed there are issues with people being locked up in secure psychiatric hospitals instead of receiving better support:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-62477095

Kyle Gibbon - older kilt pic

The patients locked in secure hospitals for decades

Fifteen Scots with learning disabilities and autism have been living in hospitals for 20 years.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-62477095

Dandelionsalad · Today 15:28

ijustwanttoworkout · Today 15:19

If you no longer meet the requirements of the hospital you then go to normal prison.

If you didn’t have capacity at the time of the offence you don’t as it means you were not responsible for your actions

ijustwanttoworkout · Today 15:29

Dandelionsalad · Today 15:28

If you didn’t have capacity at the time of the offence you don’t as it means you were not responsible for your actions

Realistically those people are not going to ever recover.

Also unsure why this is up for debate to be honest

Jellox · Today 15:34

Dandelionsalad · Today 15:26

Not quite. You might be sent there from prison and then later returned to prison if you were deemed to have capacity at the time of the offence and became very ill later - just like you might go to a normal hospital if you have a heart attack in prison. But if you are deemed not to have had capacity at the time of the offence then you don’t get sentenced/don’t go to prison. Instead you are sent to a secure psychiatric hospital (eg Broadmoor or Carstairs) for treatment until you are well. Broadmoor is not a prison and not everyone there has committed a criminal offence, some people are just very ill. Indeed there are issues with people being locked up in secure psychiatric hospitals instead of receiving better support:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-62477095

I do know.
I have had to work in Broadmoor.

I’m not sure why you seem so fixated on Broadmoor.

Depending on the mental health of the Belfast attacker, he’ll either be sent directly to prison or a secure psychiatric unit like Broadmoor.

TriesNotToBeCynical · Today 15:34

Dandelionsalad · Today 15:18

No such thing as a psychiatric jail. You have jail where you serve your sentence as determined by the judge and politicians, or you have secure psychiatric hospitals where you receive treatment until you are better and then you are released. If you get better quickly you can be released very quickly, or you might never be released, but that is determined by your mental health and not what you might have done prior to being sent there.

You are thinking we are in America, as many people in the UK seem to. You simply can't be released from Broadmoor as soon as your mental illness gets better. Court hospital orders don't allow that.

Dandelionsalad · Today 15:39

ijustwanttoworkout · Today 15:29

Realistically those people are not going to ever recover.

Also unsure why this is up for debate to be honest

Quite a few people sent to Broadmoor for violent crimes have been released. Often after a long time. You would likely be free from the criminal justice system a lot quicker.

toiletpaperthief · Today 15:41

In the mean while a millionaire in the US (Elon Musk) keeps uploading the video on his twatter platform and promoting the riots. He won't be charged with anything.

Let that sink in.

Dandelionsalad · Today 15:42

Jellox · Today 15:34

I do know.
I have had to work in Broadmoor.

I’m not sure why you seem so fixated on Broadmoor.

Depending on the mental health of the Belfast attacker, he’ll either be sent directly to prison or a secure psychiatric unit like Broadmoor.

I mentioned Broadmoor because I was responding to a poster who mentioned Broadmoor. I also mentioned Carstairs and my link referred to Carstairs. The point is they are not prisons or part of the justice system.

Dandelionsalad · Today 15:44

toiletpaperthief · Today 15:41

In the mean while a millionaire in the US (Elon Musk) keeps uploading the video on his twatter platform and promoting the riots. He won't be charged with anything.

Let that sink in.

Neither were the British politicians encouraging riots following George Floyd’s death

Jellox · Today 15:46

Dandelionsalad · Today 15:39

Quite a few people sent to Broadmoor for violent crimes have been released. Often after a long time. You would likely be free from the criminal justice system a lot quicker.

Even people who commit murder and go to A cat prisons aren’t in there for the rest of their lives.

So yes people can be released from Broadmoor but if they’ve committed a serious crime then they’ll either stay in there so long that they end up dying or they’re transferred to a lower security place like a prison or medium secure psychiatric unit before being released.

My family member was released from Broadmoor but he didn’t commit murder, so his risk was much lower than someone like the Belfast attacker.

I’m not sure how it’s relevant though.

Sardaukar · Today 15:52

Turns out the victim is from Glasgow and is a vulnerable adult. Such a tragic event when the Government allows savage maniacs in the country to prey on the most at risk.

Sardaukar · Today 15:53

toiletpaperthief · Today 15:41

In the mean while a millionaire in the US (Elon Musk) keeps uploading the video on his twatter platform and promoting the riots. He won't be charged with anything.

Let that sink in.

Neither will the perpetrator, probably.

Lifeomars · Today 15:53

Dandelionsalad · Today 13:05

Nowak’s murderer was not taken to court for over a year. The chap who threw a street cone in Southampton was in court in days and has already been sentenced. Fast-tracking Starmer refers to means days not months or years it takes other crimes to come to court.

Fast tracking is applied selective to only certain cases of ‘public disorder’. But by your own admission you are agreeing there are two tiers.

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A trial for murder is much more complex than putting someone in front of the magistrates court for chucking stuff around in the street. Even the more serious offences that will need to go to Crown as they attract a sentence longer than 6 months will be done as swiflty as possible. This is because the message of "Do this and you will be dealt with asap" needs to be communicated to hopefully deter others

ijustwanttoworkout · Today 15:58

Sardaukar · Today 15:53

Neither will the perpetrator, probably.

Oh do fuck off

ijustwanttoworkout · Today 15:58

Sardaukar · Today 15:52

Turns out the victim is from Glasgow and is a vulnerable adult. Such a tragic event when the Government allows savage maniacs in the country to prey on the most at risk.

Also has a history of violent assault

toiletpaperthief · Today 15:59

Sardaukar · Today 15:53

Neither will the perpetrator, probably.

Nonsense.This guy is going to prison most probably for life.

SleeplessInWherever · Today 15:59

Dandelionsalad · Today 15:44

Neither were the British politicians encouraging riots following George Floyd’s death

Can we behave with the “whataboutery”?

George Floyd has precisely nothing, zero, to do with this. Nothing.

Sardaukar · Today 16:00

ijustwanttoworkout · Today 15:58

Also has a history of violent assault

And what? Is that a free pass to mutilate him?