To think amount of Roma and Traveller children withdrawn from school underage needs to be cracked down on?

[Jane379]

Two things have made me think about this.

One was the recent thread on Venezuela Fury, Tyson's daughter. Her situation appears slightly different as apparently she did receive tuition online but it made me look into the wider situation.

I know there has been improvement, and that many Roma & travellers families don't do this. But it shouldn't be allowed in the first place. Yes, some who do may homeschool their kids properly, but how many?

There needs to be more regulation of homeschooling.

Why do Roma & traveller kids often slip through the net? Is it sometimes linked to families moving around so children move from one LA to another?

There' nothing wrong with kids preferring to pursue technical options than academic, or living the travelling lifestyle. But school would give them a chance to choose.

But travellers don't owe you an explanation just because you're perplexed. Sit with the feeling of being perplexed. It's ok to not understand. No one is asking you to. I'm perplexed by much of what other cultures do. That doesn't mean I can demand explanations.

As for money, the rates of poverty and infant mortality among travellers should give you reassurance that they're not doing exorbitantly well from society, however they manage their money.

@EmeraldShamrock000 is right of course that there are very wealthy travellers, and that their money often comes from crime including drugs. But that's a small minority. And goes without saying profiting from crime is not a specifically traveller thing!

I'm absolutely not demanding, I am interested. As I said silly programmes jump into the void.

I have no way of finding out more.

I find it ironic that the travellers who have posted on here are so adamant that their kids won't be getting involved in drug culture, yet the biggest drug dealers/drug takers in our town are travellers. In the pub I used to work there was only one event where I recall people openly snorting coke from the tables instead of even going to the bathroom... guess what....

Also worrying that girls of reproductive age are being left completely in the dark about sex. People saying bullying of traveller girls is ripe but then leaving them open to bullying when aged 13 they don't know babies grow inside a woman.

I want to know! Why the secrets? Why are travellers treated differently to us regarding laws of the land? Perhaps the truth would dispel all the myths about travellers - or prove them to be true. It might lessen resentment. Why are the police allowed afraid to lay down the law, how are the ostentatious shows of wealth funded? Why are very young boys allowed to race horses down our street? Why do we have to put up with litter and excrement in their wake? Just a few things! I do think we are owed an explanation!

I 💯 agree with you that it is a minority who are involved in crime, definitely not exclusive to Travelling men to profit from crime.
There is settled criminals who have lavish funerals too.
I had my front garden paved and some trees removed at different times by traveller men, had no problem.

Has anyone on this thread said they are a Traveler?

Just because something is called 'Gypsy' ie Big Fat Gypsy Wedding which I assume is what you're on about, with "a fleet of Rolls Royces at a Romany funeral" doesn't make someone Romany or Romani.

But it suits the Gaudja narrative to claim totally separate races are all one and the same.

Paddy Doherty, and Simon Doherty’ (who the funeral was for) are Irish Travelers. Even if you where confused by the title of the program, the tricolors would have informed anyone who cared.

TBF there where a couple of actual Romanichals on the program but it's well known that the majority of that program was a construction for TV.

Part of the backlash was because so much of it was fake, storylines scripted for TV and many of the families and participants have been quite open that there where story lines they where paid to follow, and some of the stories and even marriages, were totally fabricated or outrageously exaggerated by the producers.

If you’re not a traveller you do know a lot about them, so perhaps you can enlighten us. A lot of travellers live in my area, but as I don’t want a brick through my window, I have no way of finding out!

It's a long thread so I may have missed it, but who on here has said they are a traveler?

You have had one poster who I'm pretty sure said something different, who said something quite extreme about her view on what age girls should know things.

From that you've decided a whole race made up of several different branches holds the same views.

It's so hard to have sensible civilized conversations with so many of you.

It doesn't show your education system in a good light!

@AtchinTan it's not about education it's about personal experience, and there are plenty of others on here who have experienced the same. The rules and the law should apply to all or none, not some and not others

There has been more than one poster who is incredibly disparaging about non-travellers and implied we're all sexually active as teenagers, taking drugs, getting involved in knife crime, etc.

The town I live in has a large traveller population and has been at the receiving end of their behaviour - not all granted, but a large proportion - for many years.

I think @Puffinsandcoffee is a traveler but I may be wrong, Thanks

From that you've decided a whole race made up of several different branches holds the same views.
It's so hard to have sensible civilized conversations with so many of you

I am interested, I don't want to lump people together.

Frankly we (Rom) don't get on with a lot of them. But we're accused of racial prejudice for our reasons.

Many of the problems we've had are as a direct result of Gaudja authorities deciding to shove them onto us, and trying to force two entirely different races, and cultures, with different languages to be one.

As with every race, religion and culture, the ones you really take notice of are the ones causing issues.

And as with ever race there are also plenty of decent ones. But you don't notice them.

So it doesn't seem fair to pile our prejudices on them on top of yours.

I have tried to avoid stereotyping, (I know I failed with putting your old into care homes. But it's so alien to us as to be horrified that you might even know people who did this.)

But would you disagree that overall the mainstream community has issues with teenagers being sexually active, drugs, and knife crime, to name but a few of the issues that other communities run scared of?

Can you understand that other communities (especially when being attacked on here, might stereotype you too?

Just to add to what @AtchinTan has said, Im not sure everyone here realises that travellers and Roma are two entirely different ethnicities. Gypsy is often used to refer to both, which is maybe we're the confusion arises

My view is that Irish travellers have worse outcomes and face more discrimination and prejudice, including from Roma, who dislike being grouped with/mistaken for travellers, both because they're different ethnic groups but also because they often see travellers as lesser? But maybe @AtchinTan you see that differently.

@ThejoyofNC has said she is a traveller I think. Her views are just one person's of course, same as the rest of us.

With the exception of teens being sexually active, I would say they are all issues that the traveller community has too.

@AtchinTan I do understand the difference between Roma and Traveller, and my comments are in reference to travellers only as that's the only group I have any personal experience of. Apologies to you if you thought otherwise

How would you enforce it the police have to go mob handed into some of the traveller sites, would you drag the children out kicking and screaming to take them to school every day?

I worked on a project supporting gipsies and travellers who were giving up travelling and "going brick" (their term for settling in a house). Most of them were Roma.

I'm happy to say, they all used the toilet in their homes, and when I used them, they were always spotlessly clean! I never came across any bare knuckle fighting either, although DV was an issue with some of the men.

How would you cope with some who has advanced dementia, violent, doubly incontinent, unsafe needing 24 hour care etc, etc, if they didn’t have carers visiting or go into a care home ?

We are just so different from them. Their more 'visible' members are something we thoroughly avoid.
But I wouldn't publicly call anyone's whole race "lesser" because that isn't something culturally acceptable.

We do. Although we seem to do better on that front both with stopping the aggressive stage from becoming violent, and it seems to onset much later for most of us.
It does fall a lot on women, but men do play their part if it's a male.
The community comes together to support the family that's caring, and everyone has to do their part.

Edited to add, the worse it gets the more the community carries it, including entertaining and distracting and trying to keep life sweeter.

They are.

Apologies for not reading every post really carefully. There are a lot.

Oh yes, I know you haven't said anything against travellers. Just I think there's a bit more prejudice towards Irish travellers from society as a whole, and including from Roma people. But maybe not.

I think most of us probably avoid the "visible" people of any culture, if we mean the same thing by "visible"!!

@Allseeingallknowing An afterthought: There are posters on here caring for their difficult incontinent terribly disabled children without carers or going into homes. I assume that is because they love them, see them as their responsibility, and think it's the best thing they can do for them in the situation?
We see our old the same way.

If they are needing 24 hour care, violent and doubly incontinent, I doubt that their relatives are caring for them. At that stage they will be in a nursing home.