Why so much hate for Landlords on MN?

[coulditbeme2323]

Who do LL's get so much hate on MN?

It seems so much more hate than there is any real life.

Much of it is not. Check your facts before spouting random myths you have read on the internet.

I literally just admitted I used a super high end example.

I then followed that by saying there were thousands of properties between the 5-10k pcm which you have ignored.

I mean it is.

@coulditbeme2323 Look, you clearly don't want to hear anyone's views and opinions unless they are agreeing with you, and saying how wonderful ALL private landlords are!

If you had wanted everyone who posted to agree with your point of view and opinions, you should have said so in your opening post.

YES ALL PRIVATE LANDLORDS ARE LOVELY FLUFFY ANGELS AND THE WORLD WOULD BE A HORRIBLE PLACE WITHOUT THEM!

That better?

I'll leave you to it. CBA with you anymore. The 'all social housing is subsidised' line has pissed me right off. I am sick of this myth being trotted out on threads like this. And you called ME bitter earlier in the thread? All the LOLz!

As I said, crack on. I'll leave you to it.

Of course you can have your view.

And to be clear I don't think private LL's are wonderful, I view the LL/tenant relationship for what it is a transactional business relationship.

There is absolutely nothing stopping social housing providers doing that right now (I don't think local authorities are allowed to purchase housing directly, are they?) Apart from money of course.

Anecdote is not data.

There are plenty of bad tenants too. I haven't had one, but that doesn't mean I deny they exist.

Although I think they'd find they needed to pay the market value of each house, not what was originally paid for it.

As a former tenant (and now accidental landlord), I can tell you quite clearly:

• Exploitation of tenants in the UK is rife (or at least it used to be)
• Many landlords evict simply so that they can hike the price of the property up
• Their homes are in awful condition and poorly maintained, often resulting in health complications for the tenant
• As a homeowner who bought a couple of years ago, it waa always clear when a property was an ex-rental because the condition was disgusting - and these were not cosmetic issues, ie the tenants keeping the property in disrepair- I'm talking old windows in dire need of replacing, old boilers, old radiators, plaster falling off the walls, exposed brickwork, damp, moth/rodent infestation
• Landlords generally don't invest money in maintaining their properties, they allow them to fall into disrepair, all the while charging their tenants often extortionate rates

This is why people don't like them. I'm currently renting to a family member and am certainly not treating my tenant the way I was once treated, when I was in their shoes.

I am not sure that is true, in fact it isn't.

It's all true for most rentals, most of the time

Do you have any evidence that isn't anecdotal?

But you want all private landlords stripped off their houses so even millionaires will be renting from social landlords as that is the only way to rent.

I did try with her!

Social Housing is almost always subsidised to some extent, either directly or indirectly.

The running costs might be covered by rents but the construction/acquisition costs are almost always subsidised by the state. There is almost always an opportunity cost to building social housing that's good then government doing other things in other areas

You can't take peoples property away. That would be theft.

But I agree, there should be more social housing. Better vote Labour if that's what you want because none of the other parties are up for that.

Compulsory purchase already exists. But this would likely take an act of parliament. Just because you can’t do it now doesn’t mean you never can.

Because most of us have had bad experiences from shitty landlords.

Spurious reasons for keeping deposits
Lack of maintenance
Price gouging etc

On a less personal note, buy to let landlords pushing up house prices

This is like the ‘take the money from the billionaires’ threads and also the ‘my parent has lots of money but won’t give it all to me right now and has the nerve to want to use it themselves’.

It’s quite interesting to watch people trying to construct meaningful arguments when the gist of it is ‘it’s not FAIR’

Landlord hate is mostly just politics.

LL also have to pay an additional 2 percent stamp duty.

My mum's tenants (mine briefly when she died) had the most hideous black mould. It was a literal show house when the tenants moved in, and had double glazing with built in ventilation. For some reason they put in secondary glazing (it wasn't a noisy location, so goodness knows why) that covered the ventilation grilles. They also dried their laundry on the radiators which led to them going rusty, so basically they'd created the mould issue all by themselves. The agent told them at every inspection that they needed to allow ventilation, but they ignored her.

Of course I was the one who had to pay for it to be sorted before I could sell the place to pay mum's care debt.8

You won't be able to get through to someone who says that "everyone wants a luxury property for free" is absolutely ridiculous and untrue, but counters with "take all landlords' properties away at the advertised sale price at the time because they've only spent £1k on it over 30 years".

I'm not a LL and I do believe there should be far more social housing AND that there are both plenty of nightmare LLs and awful tenants out there...but that really is one of the most stupid, ill-informed things I've ever read on MN. 🥴

Apologies, I thought you were taking the piss

I have 13 properties. I have to organise gas certificates and boiler serviced, occasional electric certificate, prepare contracts for new tenants including photos of every room, take gas and electric readings, print of How to rent booklets and LL check sheet and get signed by tenants, ensure EPC are in date and organise new ones every 5 years, deal with minor repairs and maintenance person, order new washing machines/ tumble dryers/fridge freezers removed old appliances and plumb in new ones, speak with tenants as I do all liaison and organise repairs myself, sort out insurance for each property, put deposits in deposit scheme, check share codes of non UK tenants to make sure they are in UK legally. Also keeping on top of smoke alarms and carbon dioxide alarms. On top buying Champaign or a voucher to any tenants who get married or has a baby. Also sorting out remortgage when 2 or 5 year fix expires. I also rotate who has a new kitchen, bathroom, carpets. Some tenants want to use their own washing machine so I have to put ours into storage. Plus many other little jobs including keeping accounts for tax. It's not a full time job but a lot of hours spent each month. Certainly not unearned.

Sounds like you are one of the good ones, it's a shame so many of your peers let the side down.