Does anybody else dislike Pride?

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Does anybody else dislike Pride?

We have one in our town for the second year running, and it's just really off.

Now before I get the "don't be homophobic comments" I am very much live and let live.

It's just that it can be very adult in the middle of the day.

Just avoid it. I avoid all sorts of things that I don’t like. Our town has various military things that I don’t like. There’s a car rally that is disruptive. There’s
a big charity bike ride that’s disruptive and lots of other things.
Dont like it? Don’t join in. Don’t go to watch.

Did you avoid reading the thread?

I also don’t like the hoards of football fans that are in the town on a match day, getting lairy,
causing trouble but recognise that it’s a few of the many there .and don’t get me started on the weekend hen and stag do’s but I’m genuinely live and let live, unlike OP…

Yes, bloody sick of it now- and so much of it is misogynistic and indecent.

Always!

You clearly don’t like reading the thread either

I guess the tension is at root between integration and identification.

Its a tricky balance for people to work for acceptance and also emphasise difference. The former political - equal rights; the latter social, tolerance of diversity, which can be a vague and amorphous and contested bag of issues.

LGB people have various things to consider- acceptance/tolerance of sexual orientation, addressing homophobia, celebration of unique cultures (some of which are at odds with each other - women seeking rights for lesbian mothers are not the same as rubber fetishist bears seeking freedom for BDSM practises for example).

It's hard for a celebration focused on sexuality to be child friendly.

A protest mixed with a kinkfest mixed with a family friendly parade. Its too many competing things at once.

Keep the kink and fetish gear for nightclubs and private homes would be a good start.

Agree, and same

Yet you both feel moved to chip in and express an opinion. Exactly as OP has done.

Yes, and I'm still "live and let live." Despite giving an opinion.
You're entitled to be against Pride.
That's your opinion, you're right.
I've never said otherwise.
I'm not on the side of those wanting to ban it though.
Which to me is more "live and let live."

Who said anything about banning it?

Lots of posters here are supportive of Pride as a general principle, but unhappy about some of the elements that have been embraced by it, especially recently.

I'm not against Pride. I find much of it annoying and pointless. For the most part I don't care what others do, but then it does represent what people assume LGB people care about, and that can actually be damaging.

I think it needs rethinking. It's become a haven for grift (see London Pride), infiltrated by predators, (see Stephen Ireland and Belfast Pride founder), a corporate pinkwash, actively anti lesbian (see 'get the L out'), and often anti women.

I think you have hit on the key balancing act between "acceptance" and "emphasising difference".

I am totally in favour of "acceptance" but wholly against "emphasising difference ".

The key problem with emphasising difference is that it creates a nation of factions rather than unity. I want a country where LGB are no different and treated no differently from anyone else in society with the only (and imo wholly unimportant factor) being that they are physically attracted to the same sex.

Aye, because the Trans Movement are really tolerant of people who don't agree with their views, principles, ideology, and lifestyle.

I didn't even know there were people who get sexual excitement from dressing in SM-like rubber 'dog' outfits and being led on all fours by a chain. If you'd asked me to think about it, I'd have supposed some may well do - but wouldn't have guessed it was so popular, and why on earth would I be thinking about it anyway?

Sexual fetishes aren't in need of public acceptance. They don't need to be embraced in everyday life. Nobody's paid less than his peers because he likes to wear rubber or clingfilm during sex - no-one needs to know what gets their colleagues, doctors or teachers off. There's no social good to sexual exhibitionism, is there?

Are you able to make a coherent point without descending to personal insults? Or do you do it deliberately because it makes you feel superior in some way?

There's no social good to sexual exhibitionism, is there?

Exactly. There is a lot of harm that stems from sexual exhibitionism.

There is the attempt to blur the lines between adults and children - the Pride marches that welcome sexual exhibitionists and fetishists also advertising themselves as ‘family friendly’.

There is the attempt to condition adults, especially parents into accepting these blurred lines and relaxing their standards around safeguarding their children, allowing them to be exposed to adult sexual practices.

There is the requirement, heavily promoted by Pride, for both adults and children to accept that self declared identity supersedes reality with all the serious safeguarding issues that clearly causes.

I don’t believe it is a coincidence that as I mentioned previously there is a worrying number of Pride organisers/volunteers who have been charged with child sexual offences. An organisation that is prepared to push the boundaries around sexual behaviour is an organisation that will attract bad people who seek to exploit that.

My point was coherent, @GasperyJacquesRoberts. The PP I've quoted also made it in perhaps a more straightforward way.

As it happens, I do feel superior to those who can't handle testing a principle by mentally extending it to comparable, but not identical, situations. It's a fundamental thinking skill.

Should the police be politically neutral?

Don't care if they were walking around with dildos hanging out their arse.

Pride is incredibly important and its cringe to compline about it.

You think it is appropriate for adults to parade round in front of children with dildos hanging out of their arses, @Brokentoes85? I don’t.

Not to mention that MAP try to associate themselves with Pride - Minor Attracted Persons (the sanitised name for paedophiles) consider themselves to be under the umbrella of Pride.

Could you explain what's incredibly important about displaying and celebrating sexual fetishes?

I think Brokentoes was being sarcastic.

The LGBTQ+ community is incredibly invested in attracting young people because the vast majority of its members and adherents can't reproduce naturally to maintain their numbers, so they have to be able to recruit.

I've never seen a sexual fetish displayed at pride. So no need for hyperbole.

Posts like this and spreading misinformation are the exact reason it's important.

Phew!

ETA: Oops. Er, no, they weren't.