Does anybody else dislike Pride?

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Does anybody else dislike Pride?

We have one in our town for the second year running, and it's just really off.

Now before I get the "don't be homophobic comments" I am very much live and let live.

It's just that it can be very adult in the middle of the day.

It's not as simple as that. We were on Park Lane a few years back as the London Pride march went by. It was bright, colourful and really celebratory -as it should be - BUT many of the costumes, slogans, chants were wholly inappropriate for children. People are allowed to have an issue with that.

Sorry but that is completely disingenuous. Those two things are wildly different and you know it.

Yeah. I'd find this lot pretty disturbing on a beach.

That looks like Chucky and Roy Chubby Brown - am I missing context here?! 😁 If so I'm not sure what they have to do with Pride lol.
What's the original source to those? Or did you take the pictures yourself?

No. Flickr and Shutterstock. The Chucky photo was from an album of Manchester Pride portraits, but it may have been wrongly catalogued, I don't know! Not the main point, anyway, I'm not giving evidence in a trial.

“I very much live and let live” You clearly don’t because you decided to come on Mumsnet to complain about Pride. If you don’t like it, don’t attend but don’t pretend to live and let live when you get annoyed when others do that.

And if you don’t like flashers, just look away! Scrap all public indecency laws! Live and let live!

I haven’t examined the full thread as it is rather long so I am sure I am repeating what many wise people have already said.

Pride has had its day, time to pack the garish bunting away and get on with actually living lives. We have equal marriage, pension and inheritance rights so what are Pride actually campaigning for other than the exclusion and erasure of lesbians and replacing it with trans rights and the dangerous cult that is.

Pride was historically a political movement which campaigned for equality however it was taken over by companies identifying a marketing angle and the ghastly Stonewall led by the dangerous Ruth Hunt who decided that consultation of trans people would not unsurprisingly find that they were supremely special and needed, well everything they asked for. The cause of the rot can be traced back to her.

As a happy lesbian I am part of the LGB community and have absolutely nothing to do with the alphabet soup that gets tagged on the end. I have never experienced any oppression or bigotry because I am a lesbian and have travelled extensively to many countries where being gay is illegal. Maybe my lack of incidents which have somehow scarred me is the result of me getting on with my life, not actively seeking out things to be insulted by and having more things in my life rather than making being a lesbian imy whole and complete personality.

When a movement is parading down our streets demanding that women be forced to change in front of men at work and leisure, and that we can’t request same sex intimate care….. that is certainly not live and let live.

especially when they do it whilst displaying extreme bondage porn and allowing MAPS (Minor attracted persons) to become part of their movement. A relative once caught a man sticking Pride MAPs stickers above the basins in men’s toilets in a service station. That is a clear recruitment into paedophile rings.

That is a movement that seeks to attack everyone else’s right to live freely and right (and responsibility) to protect their children from harm.

Crucially Pride has never come out and rejected these people from their ranks. Just last month a highly rated male within Belfast pride passed away and was given great tribute by them. Only for his child victims to start speaking out with allegations about how he had regularly flashed at them as children wanking in lingerie in his window or outside their primary school. Teachers having to block him from the view of children. Allegations about what he got up to in a caravan park with children. A journalist discovered how he had been convicted for recruiting a minor into prostitution. Silence from Belfast Pride even though for years they had platformed and celebrated this man as being a “woman” and would have vigorously shamed and name-called any woman who disagreed.

For that reason they don’t deserve funding or to march our streets. The same sentiment applies to any organisation who would dare do this. Nothing to do with their same sex sexuality.

Until it has brave people within who will reject modern Stonewall it should expect opposition to continue and grow.

I wonder if everyone who are convinced that there is no longer a need for Pride as we have equality ie with marriage and pensions, feel the same way about women's rights?

We can vote now, so what on earth would we need to keep fighting for our rights for! There can't possibly be anything else right?

Who on here is objecting to LGBTQ rights?

It's the changed character of some Pride celebrations that's being questioned and whether or not it represents all or even most LGBTQ people.

Because gay men still earn more, on average, than gay women.

For example.

I didn't say objecting to LGBTQ rights, I'm saying people who seem to think there is no need for Pride because LGTBQ people "have equality"- of which there are several posts on this thread (one just two posts above mine on this page).

I am absolutely for gay rights.

I just think Pride nowadays has been highjacked by men’s sexual fetishish and kinks.

Pride is not about gay rights anymore.

And gay men are criminalised in over 60 countries. Neither group has achieved equality, but it's only Pride that people seem to think has had its day.

The argument is that it is about social acceptance and celebration of same sex orientation.

There's an inbuilt contradiction within Pride as it tries to both be a 'protest' against society and a celebration of society.

Meanwhile, every corporate HR department has a day off to wear rainbow hats and look a bit cheeky while ticking some boxes on the annual DEI audit.

How is Pride addressing that? You'll note the aforementioned corps studiously dont celebrate the rainbow on their Middle Eastern SM accounts.

I’ll bite. If every group that has differential outcomes of the scale experienced by LGBTQ now had a month and parades and public endorsements of the scale of Pride it would be utterly unworkable and excessive. In that context, the people on this board saying it’s too much (mostly gay people as far as I can tell) aren’t saying everything is perfect they are just calling for proportion.

The gay rights institutional momentum is what gave us trans rights, becuase the other major policy battles had been won but scaling back was unappealing.

Pride is loud and proud after the fact.

Meanwhile, people are out for a boozy day out with glitter and drag costumes. None of the hen nights in attendance give a fuck about the rights of lesbians in sub Saharan Africa.

That is a much better cause. If only Stonewall et al had kept a sense of proportion it might well have refocused its efforts there.

OK - this is a bit glib, but the way I'd express it is: some extreme Pride activities are like having Bonnie Blue claiming she's celebrating feminism!!

Very few feminists would be comfortable with that.

This popped up on Facebook and reminded me of this thread

Exactly, but Pride has been highjacked by male sexual fetish and kink.
as well as Queer, trans and people with DSD’s.
None of the TQ+ groups share anything in common with the LGB group.

If the only commonality is that all the groups are discriminated against and criminalised in other countries then why aren’t women and groups like the Rohingya part of Pride too.
What does a trans person have in common with a gay person? I don’t believe people with DSD’s are criminalised in other countries are they? Why do they belong to the LGB group for Pride?

That said, Pride is revealing homophobic issues in the UK. I tend to think most Brits don't care about sexual orientation, but it seems some do.

The argument remains as to whether carnival parades and drag acts are in any way addressing the inherent homophobia expressed here.