Does anybody else dislike Pride?

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Does anybody else dislike Pride?

We have one in our town for the second year running, and it's just really off.

Now before I get the "don't be homophobic comments" I am very much live and let live.

It's just that it can be very adult in the middle of the day.

Yes here you are, a ‘normal mum’ engaging on a thread about one of the days current issues.

I’m sure some organisations do use bots and all sorts of means to manipulate things but how does that negate the large number of very real people discussing their very real concerns from things they have experienced in real life?

Billionaires avoiding tax with SBLOCs are not causing small children to be exposed to men in fetish gear, or women to be raped by recent immigrants or locals to be pushed down the housing list by recent arrivals with a higher priority rating. People talk about what directly affects them.

It’s no good trying to dismiss all that with your conspiracy theories.

As an aside, I wonder why people use the ‘most people agree with me’ argument as a way of proving they are ‘right’. I sometimes have a minority view on a topic but that does not make me think of my opinion as the ‘wrong’ one. Often quite the opposite! Sometimes the majority political view makes me despair, but I don’t feel that my view is therefore incorrect. Just musing.

😂better than you do probably.

No it hasn’t been debunked. It takes data directly from the Ministry of Justice data.

Unless you are accusing them of manipulating the data?

I'm 'lucky' in the sense that no man pretending to be a woman is going to do this to me as I'm heterosexual but I do feel terrible for any lesbians who are experiencing this.
It makes my skin crawl.
I'm a woman and lesbians are too. This matters more to me in terms of identity than who I am attracted to.

I empathise with them.

I'm not apologising for this reaction.
I'm not a feminist but I think any woman who thinks trans females are OK needs to give 'their heads a wobble' as they say here.

Also, of course the main difference between being gay and trans is that being gay affects nobody else.
This is why I think most people are OK with it.
(Yes men may not like the idea of other men getting together as such but it doesn't affect them so live and let live.)

Trans, however, is a whole different issue.
It very much does affect other people: usually actual women who are required to go along with it.

I think that the lgb should distance themselves from the t and the rest.

The trans movement is dying. It simply does not fit in with half the population.
And to any men reading this, you better get on board too.

If you are a halfway decent man, you don't want a trans woman stripping in front of your wife/daughter in a changing room. It's just not on, is it?

Well, the immigrants pushing locals down the priority list for social housing is an absolute lie and a great example of false news propaganda against immigrants. Most immigrants can't even access council housing even if they've been granted work visas, and long standing locals have far more priority than recent asylum seekers! They absolutley do not push locals down the priority list.

Also SBLOCs mean that infrastructure, vital services and council housing in this country are massively underfunded so it effects people a hell of a lot more than most people are ever told about, magnitudes worse than immigration. (BTW immigrants are net contributors to the tax pot so they kind of pay for themselves)

Why the f#ck don't they stay as guys if they're into women? It's like these oddballs want their cake and eat it..

I am completely unsurprised that a thread about Pride has somehow had immigration shoehorned into it.

I volunteered at Pride in London once many moons ago, and overall it was a lovely day. I think out of the thousands who were in the parade the only group I saw who I thought were a bit iffy were about 12 to 18 people in dressed in fetishised rubber 'animal' costumes being walked on leads through Piccadilly Circus on all fours by their Doms. I saw people who didn't know Pride was on that day and had some up to town with their kids who were quite uncomfortable with that group, and I have a lot of sympathy - but it would be a massive overreaction to close the whole thing because of such a small minority of participants.

That’s obviously because it’s in the same “if you see any issues it’s because you’re a bigot” package of identity politics.

Have you been anytime recently?

I don’t think it is, I think that’s a stretch.

I have an issue with my 9 year old seeing people in gimp masks on leads, I don’t have a problem with him seeing brown people. Or hearing different languages, etc etc.

They’re two very different types of concern.

All those officers were at work. In uniform. Supposedly providing a reassuring presence of authority, control and security.

As a thought experiment, imagine them policing a Reform march in St George's Cross regalia, wearing Make Britain Great hats, chanting whatever the hell they chant, maybe posing for photos with a couple of 'immigrants' in chains. Police cars emblazoned with Union Jacks and Stop The Boats slogans.

Still a heartwarming demonstration of police humanity, or unprofessional?

Not recently, it's usually held the same weekend as a big event for my hobby. I've a friend who runs the LGBT network at her employer which has been a sponsor in the last few years, so I just hear about it from her (FWIW she's a cis lesbian). The images we are presented in the media are not always entirely representative of an event as a whole - editors tend to choose whatever picture will get the most clicks.
It's like how media photos of Glastonbury Festival are always of attractive skinny 19 year old girls in short denim skirts - that's really not representative of the whole crowd.

It says volumes that you see someone having a rainbow flag badge as somehow equivalent to someone having a "stop the boats" badge.

Of course it’s not appropriate for clothing like that to be work in towns and cities at lunchtime. Yes a 5yr old may not notice, but do parents really want to have conversations what a ball gag is or about BDSM? My son is gay, and I have zero issue with it, but he never feels the need to march and wear that kind of clothing. He is generally in jeans / tshirt.

Straw man. Concerns about immigration aren’t based on a fear that your 9-year-old might see brown people or hear foreign languages. Ironic that you should dismiss them in such a similar way to the way others would dismiss your concerns about Pride.

And is your lesbian friend (no need for “cis”, there’s only one type of lesbian) sexually attracted to people with penises, or does she just have to pretend to be open to it?

Your question makes no sense and I'm not engaging with you further. I wish you peace.

I see the cognitive dissonance has kicked in. Awkward, isn’t it?

Not equivalent, but thanks for showing your brain has been so rotted by rainbow rhetoric that you can't understand the purpose of a simile. TQIA++ activism is political, just as any other political activism.

To the police those two people should be equivalent, yes.

Neither of them, when marching for their cause, should have the police marching alongside them.

Can you really not see why police cause-neutrality matters?

No.

You have to have one or the other.😳

Seriously I’m with you. Don’t see point in whataboutery

Because if you are a white straight male then you are at the bottom of the victim pyramid, whereas if you are white and male but identify as a trans woman with extra bonus points for being a lesbian, then you go straight to the very top of the victim pyramid.

This explains it better:

That video explains it really badly. Straight men who declare themselves trans get three oppression intersections for the price of one because in addition to being oppressed on the basis of being “trans” they are also oppressed on the basis of being “women” and “lesbians”. Other intersections e.g. race and disability will compound those. Walsh’s points system is arbitrary and both more complicated and less explanatory than simply weighting and multiplying intersections.