Does anybody else dislike Pride?

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Does anybody else dislike Pride?

We have one in our town for the second year running, and it's just really off.

Now before I get the "don't be homophobic comments" I am very much live and let live.

It's just that it can be very adult in the middle of the day.

If you don’t meet people in the middle, those people will choose a harsher option. But as long as you just laugh at others concerns then I’m sure we’ll all be okay

How are you supposed to do that though?
Genuine question.
As I find with those that "are completely gone" there is no reasoning, there is no middle ground.
Whether it's if they want all people who aren't white "sent back" (sent back where?!) or people who are trans not to exist as trans in public.
People just get entrenched further, more polarised.

I am also a "normal" Mum who started on mumsnet in the TTC forum before several name changes and getting suckered into engaging with AIBU topics.

But you are either naive or blinkered if you don't believe every political party (or vested interest) with some coin behind them isn't manipulating public opinion through propaganda on social media via PR companies like the notorious Cambridge Analytica (and now its successors) who now use bots to drive engagement, (they used to use actual people in developing countries with fake profiles) to skew polls and drive engagement with certain key subjects to blow them out of proportion, so issues like trans people and immigration get far more traction than billionaires avoiding tax with SBLOCs and Lombard Loans or just general cost of living absolutley ravaging 80% of the country or even the accelerating climate change issue.

After all, immigrants and trans people make excellent scapegoats and bogeyman to scare people with, if you want to get into politics with no real policies to actually help people.

Are the bots in the room with us right now??

This infographic has been debunked as manipulating the stats- the trans women's rate is taken from the prison population, whereas the men and women's rate is taken from the general population.

People sharing stuff like this on forums like it's fact without doing due diligence is exactly why bigotry spreads as quickly as it does. People see something like this, apply no critical thinking, and hit repost to get everyone else in their bubble frothed up too.

This is just so ridiculous. Either purposefully obtuse or incredibly naive. Who knows.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/77th_Brigade_(United_Kingdom)

Mebbe, mebbe not. Who knows?

Mumsnet has been one of the first forums to introduce women to the dangers of trans ideology and of the wider dangers of male fetishy behaviour , hence this thread. No one cares about homosexuality but the gimps, furries, AGP males are unnecessary.

This has been an organic movement, raised from genuine concerns of women (and some men). Some of us have watched the progression of this from back when we couldnt call men, men, without getting deleted and reported.

It’s very funny when people turn up and infer that “only bots” could be concerned.

Nobody has said that only bots can be concerned though!
You're making shit up or purposefully missing the point.

I remember a similar poster, maybe the same one, 🤷‍♀️, insisting that “it was the bots that done it” when Trump was re-elected. Some shifts in cultural perspective are just organic.

Nobody is inferring that "only bots" can be concerned about the highlighted issues. The suspicion comes from the leveraging of contentious issues by data gatherers with their own agendas and helping obfuscate the genuine grass roots issues that people are genuinely concerned about.

So why bring bots up? Concerns about males displaying fetishes in public seem organic to me.

The same bot-insistent poster on the Trump thread, after his re-election, was insistent that most people had argued with an online bot at some stage. Which was intriguing to me, given my social media at the time consisted of Reddit cricket, work WhatsApp and Mumsnet.

So why bring bots up
I mean, it literally says in the comments on the conversation about it.
I'm not sure what it is that you're not getting?

I’m sorry, I have no idea what you’re getting at.

🤷‍♀️

But I'm not saying ONLY bots are concerned, real people become concerned when they are bombarded with propaganda and the propaganda is frightening! Comparing trans women to male rapists makes people frightened about sharing female spaces. Most people rarely even interact with trans people yet some will consider it a bigger issue than the NHS, there has been a massive push to make trans people vilified for political leverage.

Same has happened with immigration and barely any real media analysis that immigration has increased because of Brexit yet the architects of Brexit are still benefitting from the leverage of this issue. God forbid we have a real discussion about foreign policy rather than "stop the boats" rhetoric.

That image could be the cover pic for "How To Lie With Statistics".

Cant stand Pride.

It's an absolute circus drenched in "kink" and imo has contributed to the resurfacing of the good old "gays are degenerates" brand of homophobia.

The LGB marched for equality and to be unremarkable, normal, and a part of society that you no longer needed to bat an eye at.

Now we've got cross dressing porn addled incels combined with men nursing semis in front of children while wearing leather masks in "puppy pens" and lesbians being physically removed for rejecting penises combined with a load of spicy straights who think that they're the voices of the "queer community" just because theyve dyed their hair blue and have "identified" their way out of heterosexuality.

Im delighted that its on its starting to die on its arse.

Perhaps we can start to be linked with being really boring members of society who go to work, pay taxes, walk the dog, go to the supermarket, and spend time with our same sex partners without being an utter spectacle again.
Wouldnt that be bloody nice.

I absolutely love this post "start to be linked with being really boring members of society ".

Spot on 😀

People aren’t scared to share female spaces with trans people.

Women don’t want to share their single sex spaces with men, even if a man identifies as a woman.

If you ask yourself why we sometimes, not very often, segregate spaces into female and male it has to be for good reason. Those reasons are due to sex not how they feel.

Men remain male, even if they wear a dress, prosthetic breast and make up and as segregated single sex spaces are reliant on sex differences, men should never be in woman’s spaces if those spaces are single sex. Ever.

No, it hasn’t been debunked. The men’s and women’s rates come from the prison population.

Try again. And maybe have a little think about why your little bubble lied to you about this “debunking”, and why you swallowed it.

Perhaps check your comments before you start (continuing) to throw accusations.

You’re laughing at us
Nope. Discussing.

Most people like you look down upon those in different socio economic circumstances
Nope. I'm probably on the same economic level.

preaching
Nope. Discussing.

There’s been a lot of Labour MPs done over recently for child SA
Related to my points how?

Reform have some unsavoury characters
Yes. Many many of the Reform supporters (I read a 40% statistic but that is probably not accurate) have a DV conviction or accusation.

do the apparent champion party of the working class
EH?

we’re laughing at you thinking a 6ft bloke with a 5 o clock shadow saying he’s a lesbian with a lady dick is just as much a woman as you.
This is peak hysteria / panic / exaggeration / hyperbole. WHATEVER synonym you want to use.

preach about patriarchy and women’s rights thinking you’re so virtuous.
If not hysteria, certainly highly emotive.

You and your ilk
I'm one of your ilk. Other than supporting a fascist party actually. (Or not being a racist, homophobe or TERF).

you’re the ones waving in the apparent facists by emulating facist and bigoted behaviour yourself
Yup, still pretty emotive.

Maybe police what you write a bit better if you don't want to be accused of being hysterical.

Just to note. Being working class doesn't = Reform / racist / homophobe / trans phobe. Don't tar us all with that brush. Just because your jackboot fits you it certainly doesn't fit me.

we’re laughing at you thinking a 6ft bloke with a 5 o clock shadow saying he’s a lesbian with a lady dick is just as much a woman as you.
This is peak hysteria / panic / exaggeration / hyperbole. WHATEVER synonym you want to use

Do you not believe that bearded men are calling themselves lesbians? Let me introduce you to Alex Drummond

That is ONE person.

In the same way not all Americans are spray tanned, orange, raping, megalomaniacs.

And the same way not all working class people support Reform.

Maybe that is the issue? If working class Reform voters automatically assume everyone on their social and economic level votes Reform, that is why they think every trans person is a bearded, penis toting woman.

Your comment could be the cover blurb for “How To Pretend Away Inconvenient Truths”.

When my kids were small we happened to be in town when our Pride march was on and we happily watched and waved. Not sure I'd be as keen now, because it's not the same. I'm not into sex shaming but I do believe fetishes should be private. Nor am I impressed by the accounts of some lesbians and gay men who no longer feel welcome at Pride.

I also can't be doing with the 'if you don't like it don't look' crap. Having been flashed as I child can attest you don't always get the bloody choice.