Does anybody else dislike Pride?

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Does anybody else dislike Pride?

We have one in our town for the second year running, and it's just really off.

Now before I get the "don't be homophobic comments" I am very much live and let live.

It's just that it can be very adult in the middle of the day.

My DS is gay and neither he or any of his huge group of mainly gay friends go to pride. They say it's just full of creeps and perverts and it doesn't speak to them or their experience at all.

Exactly, the person who originally said it on the thread had heard it from others (her kids said that's what it was) but by her own admission never bothered to find out if it actually was, just took their word for it.
Cue loads of "that's terrible, OMG, how can they have a paedophilia flag there?! Evil! etc when no one even knows if that's the case at all!
Yet people just blindly react and believe everything they read on the internet as absolute truth with no fact checking at all on their parts to see if it's actually true.
Doesn't stop online frenzies and people getting whipped up though which is worrying in itself.

I did not "hear it from others". I saw the flag with my own eyes. However I didn't know what it was for. There are a lot of flags. I only know a few by sight. My son told me what it was and his brother backed him up. They also showed me on Google at the time because I was surprised that it exists in any capacity.

But, a year later I can't remember what colours it was. I also can't tell you the colors of the asexual flag. Or the demi boy flag. Or many many others. Can you remember the colours of things you nearly a year ago?

Police have been told to scale back their enthusiastic involvement in Pride, following a landmark High Court ruling last year.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cd975y39ek8o

The BBC article's very anodyne, so here are some images showing UK cops providing an authoritative presence.

And here's an article on the indoctrination of children at Pride events:
https://www.transgendertrend.com/lgbtq-pride-safeguarding-scandal/

The other 51 weeks are straight weeks. Pillock.

You're welcome to organise one.

This is what all my gay friends say! They feel completely alienated, and I'd be willing to bet a lot of gay people do.

As a pp said upthread - it's not about 'love' - it's about sex and pretty kinky sex, too. Fine - consenting adults can do what they like, but it should stay private. A celebration of LGBTQ should focus on other things - say, the cultural achievements of artists (dancers, writers, designers, chefs etc) and music and food everyone can enjoy.

To make being LGBTQ only about kinky sex is not fair and likely not representative of most LGBTQ people.

I do agree for some it’s become an excuse to demonstrate their kinks in public! Kink isn’t just an LGBTQ+ thing either so now sure how it’s become relevant! It’s a bit over the top for something that’s supposed to be family friendly.

Further to my previous...

Sarah Waters, Val McDiarmid (novelists), Ian McKellen and about a million actors and dancers, Greg Doran (theatre director), Russel T Davies (TV writer), Nigel Slater (cook), plus lots of now-deceased gay cultural icons (Oscar Wilde, Benjamin Britten...loads). It could be a fantastic cultural festival.

But it's just a kink-fest.

My late wife and I used to attend Norwich Pride when she was alive. After her death I struggled to attend as it was something ‘we’ used to do and I found it painful to do without her. Last year, however, I went, with the feeling that if I didn’t like it I would just go home.

I stayed for the whole thing - the stalls and general gathering beforehand, I watched the parade instead of walking with it like we used to, and attended the events in Chapelfield Gardens afterwards. I came away uplifted and joyful. I saw not one single genital or person leading another person, nothing that would cause pearl-clutching. It was absolutely an event I’d happily take any of my grandchildren to. I think compared with some of the events described upthread Norwich Pride has possibly remained truer to the original ethos of Pride.

To me the original point of Pride was to openly show to the public that LGB people exist, they're not ashamed and they won't hide behind closed doors, which I wholeheartedly believe in and support.

It's ironic that it now seems to have gone full circle with lesbian groups being banned for not be accepting enough of trans.

Trans women's rights clearly outrank lesbian rights in the victim pyramid.

Why do the War Dead only get a day in November in commemoration? Wasn't their sacrifice the ultimate one? Gay Pride gets a week. I'll never work that one out...

Don't you know OP?

Men must now be allowed to parade around in fetish gear in public.

And if you object, you are a disgusting bigot.

Its not ‘splitting hairs’ it’s separating out the abusers from the victims of the abuse.

The abusers are those gender ideologists that have campaigned against the concept of same sex attraction, attempting to remove their protections in law (by changing the definition of same sex attraction) and have heaped public abuse and even violence particularly against lesbians (because the abusive gender ideologists are mostly heterosexual males who call themselves lesbians). They force teamed themselves onto gay rights and have been nothing but destructive to them ever since.

If you count the abusers in with the victims of their abuse, (gay people), that’s not at all helpful. Many of the reports of ‘LGBTQ+’ abuse hinge around men who identify as lesbians being told they are not welcome in lesbian groups or dating circles.

It’s important to separate it out to understand the very different forms of abuse. A man trying to coerce a lesbian into sex is different to a young gay man being subjected to homophobic abuse on the street by a random person and they have very different solutions but they are counted in the same numbers.

I am assure you the gay community deserve pride and have not won equality.

I agree that they deserve pride but they did achieve equality years ago. It is the force teaming with the ‘TQ+’ who are harming children and removing women’s rights and using gay people as a human shield that are causing the harm here. People are objecting to the behaviour of the trans activists but because of the grouping dictated by trans activists, gay people are also feeling the criticism.

What's that got to do with what you're quoting? 😕

It’s an inclusive celebration of the freedom we are allowed and a reminder that, in some parts of the world, people risk imprisonment or even death for who they are. 🏳️‍🌈

If Pride markets itself as a family event (and most do) there is no place for sexual fetish display at all.

People tend to fixate on a small section of the parade/event and ignore everything else that's there

Yes, because in any numbers, allowing men to display their sexual fetishes in public with children present should never ever be acceptable.

If you argue that we should turn a blind eye or ‘it’s just a minority’, you just do more damage to the ‘pride’ movement as many people actually have standards around exposing children to such things.

Many gay people have dropped away from Pride in disgust (or been banned for asserting that they are exclusively same sex attracted) as these overtly sexualised displays represent exactly what they get movement tried to get away from in the 70s and 80s.

And for what you claim is a minority, they get plenty of pictures, there are men in furry outfits posing with police, men wearing butt plug tails, men exposing their penises in bondage gear, all with children present. I think one such event even set up a play area for kids that involved furries or some other overt sexual fetish. I don’t want to try and find the photos again.

People are bringing up these things because we’ve realised the consequences of just standing back and letting those in charge manage things for us. We assumed they were acting for the benefits of the majority of British citizens but it turns out they were not.

As a consequence, child safeguarding has been compromised with deaths resulting m, thousands of white girls gave been raped with little or no consequence and a number of people have been murdered by men who were not stopped from their actions purely because of their colour.

I can see the potential for certain groups having hard won rights taken away due to skewed politicisation of actions of a proportionally few.

The thing is, we need to balance rights and right now the balance is not correct. The figures show that it is not ‘proportionally few’ that commit murders rapes and knife crime when you look at the populations involved. Some groups are over represented in the crime figures compared to their overall numbers. It only takes a small proportion of our overall population to have a big impact on the rest of society.

We need to have a national conversation about all this and Farage/TR etc are the lightning rod - they are not driving all this - the events that keep happening are driving this. The government attacking ordinary people for expressing opinions is driving this.

Every time I hear Keir Starmer say things like ‘the biggest fight we are facing is the ‘far right’, he attacks many of us because by ‘far right’ he means ordinary people who have an opinion on immigration.

We need more open debate and we need the government to listen.

It may have started as that, but it's not always inclusive now, nor a celebration of freedom. I take the point about the Norwich event which sounds positive but some of the big events are NOT inclusive - they are becoming very niche under the pretence of representing all LGBTQ people.

She wasn’t inaccurate though. The presence of furries and bandage fetishists is far more high profile now especially as it is marketed as a family friendly event.

I don’t know why you are now attacking @Positid on this. I’d say that when the police are posing for pictures with furries it’s become a pretty mainstream part of the event even if the relative numbers are small.

Or maybe it’s just normal parents on a parenting forum concerned with real issues like, say, child safeguarding and education?

It’s very concerning that you are trying to attribute normal standards for society to AI bots and propaganda.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn9qwyelgjwo

Pride in London is looking like a bit of a racket, tbh.

I don't think anyone's saying that it's solely bots and propaganda. Of course there are normal parents on here (I am one - well, normal most of the time 😁) Just that there is a lot of bots/AI and propaganda on the internet now and that's fact - it's naive to think otherwise.

Ironically I think the number of men who were either pride organisers or heavily involved with pride who are in prison or charged with child sex offences is growing.

pride seems to have a child safeguarding problem baked in. Given some of the dismissive responses on this thread I can see why.

www.transgendertrend.com/lgbtq-pride-safeguarding-scandal/

Trans women's rights clearly outrank lesbian rights in the victim pyramid.

Because they are men.
And men are more important, apparently...