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Does anybody else dislike Pride?

478 replies

coulditbeme2323 · Yesterday 13:12

Does anybody else dislike Pride?

We have one in our town for the second year running, and it's just really off.

Now before I get the "don't be homophobic comments" I am very much live and let live.

It's just that it can be very adult in the middle of the day.

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WeekendFreedom · Yesterday 14:27

I can’t wait for the next thread I see complaining about trans men in women’s spaces… I’ll just refer them to this thread and point out some of the comments would suggest to just stay away from from the female spaces if somethings happening you don’t like or just look away.

EstoyRobandoSuCasa · Yesterday 14:27

Happyjoe · Yesterday 14:23

Why does your 6 and 2 trump everyone else?
Be a parent. Don't like it? Don't go.

People these days think the world owes them everything, esp if they have children. No, it doesn't.

Our local Pride March walks through the town centre on a Saturday morning. My kids and I happened to see the last one as we left the library. Luckily, ours was fine and there was no bondage gear or inappropriate sexual behaviour to be seen.

Happyjoe · Yesterday 14:27

coulditbeme2323 · Yesterday 14:23

The protection of children should be for everybody.

It's parental responsibility. .

Same as holding a hand to cross the road. That's fuck all to do with me.
Kid frightened of fireworks? You don't go to a firework display then.
Child wants to watch a scary movie? Parent's decide. Why should a pride event be any different?

Your choice to have a child, your choice to decide where they go when young. Your choice to go close up to a pride event enough for the children to see dildos. Your choice. Stop whining and being entitled

CapstanFullStrength · Yesterday 14:27

Getmeacoffeenow · Yesterday 13:15

I dislike the fact that people are persecuted and bullied because of who they love more.

Yeah, heterosexuals have it pretty bad at the moment

familyissues12345 · Yesterday 14:27

I used to be a bit whatever about it, didn’t really give it much thought.

Last year I held a stall at our local pride event with work and I have to say it was the nicest day. It was so lovely to see people enjoying themselves, there was no nastiness and people could just be who they wanted to be.

Hotmess101 · Yesterday 14:28

sweetpickle2 · Yesterday 14:24

The 'minor attracted person' flag does exist, but it's not used at Pride. I suspect the poster whose children told her thats what it was misunderstood the colours- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:MAPs_Pride_Flag.svg

There is a long running smear campaign that tries to suggest that flag is part of Pride, which it isn't. It's just another homophobic attempt to link homosexuality to pedophila, and believing and spreading the rumour just contributes to that www.rumorguard.org/post/no-gay-pride-flags-do-not-include-colors-representing-people-attracted-to-children

As opposed to the actual paedophiles running Pride who are all referenced above.

Happyjoe · Yesterday 14:28

CapstanFullStrength · Yesterday 14:27

Yeah, heterosexuals have it pretty bad at the moment

You know thats utter tosh, don't know why you wrote it to be honest. Not even 'edgy'.

Tabarnak · Yesterday 14:29

As a celebration of the progress made in equalities in this country - all good! Celebrate the equal marriage maws etc. As a reminder that people round the world are still persecuted for sexuality and a call for action - all good - let's have more of that, please.
As a joyful celebration of same sex love - great.

As a public celebration and flaunting of sexual practices including kinks and fetishes - NO. Just fucking stop it.

MightyDandelionEsq · Yesterday 14:29

coulditbeme2323 · Yesterday 14:26

Or men pretending to be women, so yeah you are right - always men!

It’s always interesting to me though that the hardest of feminists will excuse those men if they’re under the pride banner, even if they’re straight. It’s such a weird mental gymnastic…

Man gets his dick out in changing room - bad.
Man gets dick out without asking - bad.

Man wearing dress gets dick out in changing room - Brave
Man shows his dick, openly displays fetish at a daytime festival - Brave

coulditbeme2323 · Yesterday 14:29

Happyjoe · Yesterday 14:27

It's parental responsibility. .

Same as holding a hand to cross the road. That's fuck all to do with me.
Kid frightened of fireworks? You don't go to a firework display then.
Child wants to watch a scary movie? Parent's decide. Why should a pride event be any different?

Your choice to have a child, your choice to decide where they go when young. Your choice to go close up to a pride event enough for the children to see dildos. Your choice. Stop whining and being entitled

I am sorry you are wrong, protection of children is for society.

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TygerBread · Yesterday 14:30

It’s something I previously felt support for, but not any more. It started as a serious campaign for equality, and I think it’s turned into a trashy event that is just competing within itself to create as much shock value as possible.

Of course, there will still be some people involved who are there for the original reasons and so I’m not against everyone who gets involved, but I’m against the extremes of it. The bondage gear etc shouldn’t be necessary. Gay rights started as wanting the same rights as heterosexuals…things such as marriage and being able to share a home and not having to keep relationships secret for fear of discrimination….what has bondage or nudity in the street got to do with celebrating that?

I think in some ways it’s becoming a backwards step, the majority of gay people are not flamboyant extroverts who want to be overtly sexual in public, they are ordinary people living in private monogamous relationships and dressing the same as their heterosexual counterparts. Pride appears to have been hi-jacked and turned into a celebration of the wacky and sexually deviant, rather than a celebration of equality. It also went from a one-day event into a whole month of festivities, with businesses, tv channels and businesses feeling the need to put their flags out in support of people’s right to parade the streets in bondage gear, the whole thing has veered towards something that doesn’t really represent the general gay population.

Happyjoe · Yesterday 14:30

coulditbeme2323 · Yesterday 14:29

I am sorry you are wrong, protection of children is for society.

No, it's not entirely down to society. Stop being an entitled snowflake and step up and parent.

While having children is a personal choice, it doesn't make your choice of what others do of any importance when it comes to Pride and other things you make a personal objection to. You're not important, you are just a parent. So go parent.

coulditbeme2323 · Yesterday 14:31

Happyjoe · Yesterday 14:30

No, it's not entirely down to society. Stop being an entitled snowflake and step up and parent.

While having children is a personal choice, it doesn't make your choice of what others do of any importance when it comes to Pride and other things you make a personal objection to. You're not important, you are just a parent. So go parent.

Edited

I do parent, but I also care about other children that aren't mine.

I am sorry you don't.

Have a good day.

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PercyPigsAreOverRated · Yesterday 14:31

sweetpickle2 · Yesterday 14:24

The 'minor attracted person' flag does exist, but it's not used at Pride. I suspect the poster whose children told her thats what it was misunderstood the colours- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:MAPs_Pride_Flag.svg

There is a long running smear campaign that tries to suggest that flag is part of Pride, which it isn't. It's just another homophobic attempt to link homosexuality to pedophila, and believing and spreading the rumour just contributes to that www.rumorguard.org/post/no-gay-pride-flags-do-not-include-colors-representing-people-attracted-to-children

My children may well have got it wrong. They are usually pretty good at knowing the flags though.

GeneralPeter · Yesterday 14:31

sweetpickle2 · Yesterday 14:24

The 'minor attracted person' flag does exist, but it's not used at Pride. I suspect the poster whose children told her thats what it was misunderstood the colours- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:MAPs_Pride_Flag.svg

There is a long running smear campaign that tries to suggest that flag is part of Pride, which it isn't. It's just another homophobic attempt to link homosexuality to pedophila, and believing and spreading the rumour just contributes to that www.rumorguard.org/post/no-gay-pride-flags-do-not-include-colors-representing-people-attracted-to-children

The proportion of Pride officers who have been arrested for child sex offences seems extraordinarily high compared to the general population.

You say it’s not because gay people have a higher base rate (fine). In that case the problem seems to be Pride specifically. Wouldn’t you want to root that out?

vezesez · Yesterday 14:31

shhblackbag · Yesterday 14:14

Quite. Pride is one day a year. Surely children don't have to be included in absolutely everything.

And it's easy enough to avoid as an adult if that's what you want.

It’s absolutely not easy to avoid if you live on route.

MightyDandelionEsq · Yesterday 14:32

TygerBread · Yesterday 14:30

It’s something I previously felt support for, but not any more. It started as a serious campaign for equality, and I think it’s turned into a trashy event that is just competing within itself to create as much shock value as possible.

Of course, there will still be some people involved who are there for the original reasons and so I’m not against everyone who gets involved, but I’m against the extremes of it. The bondage gear etc shouldn’t be necessary. Gay rights started as wanting the same rights as heterosexuals…things such as marriage and being able to share a home and not having to keep relationships secret for fear of discrimination….what has bondage or nudity in the street got to do with celebrating that?

I think in some ways it’s becoming a backwards step, the majority of gay people are not flamboyant extroverts who want to be overtly sexual in public, they are ordinary people living in private monogamous relationships and dressing the same as their heterosexual counterparts. Pride appears to have been hi-jacked and turned into a celebration of the wacky and sexually deviant, rather than a celebration of equality. It also went from a one-day event into a whole month of festivities, with businesses, tv channels and businesses feeling the need to put their flags out in support of people’s right to parade the streets in bondage gear, the whole thing has veered towards something that doesn’t really represent the general gay population.

Agreed.

Those same businesses don’t put their money where their mouth is though - especially on social media. Check any large company, pride flag for western accounts and no mention on accounts for the Middle East for example.

It’s purely a virtue signalling exercise.

ATrollHunter · Yesterday 14:32

CalmTheFuckDownMargaret · Yesterday 13:37

First off, I’m bisexual so I’m not homophobic before anyone stops reading and starts banging out an accusation on their keyboard.

OP, you are right. Some people on here are worryingly naive and uninformed. They are defending the notion of Pride - equality, acceptance, inclusion and the way that Pride parades used to be: family friendly, colourful, creative, happy.

Modern Pride, as you rightly observe, is quite often nothing of the sort. I’ve seen (first hand, as well as second hand via uploaded footage) adults urinating on each other, using spanking paddles, wearing bondage gear, wearing strap on dildos, exposing their genitals, going topless, displaying death threats to feminists, men getting children to stroke them while wearing furry fetish outfits etc etc etc. This is not indoors, in private, or in fetish clubs. It’s on high streets during the day. If anyone doesn’t believe me, simply Google any of the examples I’ve stated and you’ll see thousands of pieces of evidence. Several Pride organisers have been convicted of sex offences, including against children. We used to take these things seriously.

Pride is no longer about being proudly lesbian, gay or bisexual. It is largely about the celebration of sexual fetishes and cross-dressing and it is not appropriate for street parades in front of children who should not be exposed to adult sexuality.

If posters are lucky enough to have a Pride parade that’s still family-friendly in their area, then good for them. Most LGB people I know have distanced themselves from it. I certainly have. I used to attend London Pride every single year.

You can buy bisexual and homophobic... Doesn't exclude you... smh

tartyflette · Yesterday 14:33

GinaandGin · Yesterday 13:43

Away and clutch pearls
I have more of an issue with churches and their disgusting conversion therapy

I have an issue with both.
They are equally performative and intolerant of criticism. As we see here.

Happyjoe · Yesterday 14:33

coulditbeme2323 · Yesterday 14:31

I do parent, but I also care about other children that aren't mine.

I am sorry you don't.

Have a good day.

Entitled, you are seriously entitled.
And no wonder we are getting hideous children now, ones that can't cope with anything.

Lifeomars · Yesterday 14:34

I used to go when it was in the park up the road from me as there were lots of stalls, nice food and live music. Good day out in the middle of summer, what's not to like? Now it is a parade in town so I don't bother but it is nice to see the photos in the local press. Can't say I have ever thought about it from a negative point of view.

LeaderBee · Yesterday 14:34

AllaMova · Yesterday 13:15

Why is it, if your words “off”?

Don’t attend, no-one will force you to do so.

Hard not to do when it's parading down the main street of your city and you just came to do some shopping.

coulditbeme2323 · Yesterday 14:34

Happyjoe · Yesterday 14:33

Entitled, you are seriously entitled.
And no wonder we are getting hideous children now, ones that can't cope with anything.

Have a lovely day.

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trueredstart · Yesterday 14:34

Happyjoe · Yesterday 14:30

No, it's not entirely down to society. Stop being an entitled snowflake and step up and parent.

While having children is a personal choice, it doesn't make your choice of what others do of any importance when it comes to Pride and other things you make a personal objection to. You're not important, you are just a parent. So go parent.

Edited

I argued on a different thread recently that liberal humanism has contributed to the downfall of society. The term "it takes a village" is more than just having parents and people you know that are there to help - it's also about societal engagement.

Society needs to be a role model.

MightyDandelionEsq · Yesterday 14:36

Happyjoe · Yesterday 14:33

Entitled, you are seriously entitled.
And no wonder we are getting hideous children now, ones that can't cope with anything.

If you’re having to flaunt your sexual desires / fetish around kids in public and think they should just ‘take it’ and ‘handle it’ then you’re a walking red flag.

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