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Political badges should be banned from NHS uniforms

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Ihatetomatoes · 04/06/2026 08:28

New report says political badges such as Pro Palestine shouldn't be worn on NHS uniforms. It's led to increased antisemitism and fear amongst Jewish patients.

Also NHS uniforms not to be worn on protests.

This report makes a number of suggestions and in my opinion must be implemented. All political badges off NHS uniforms. No NHS uniforms on protests such as pro Palestine. It contributes to racism and fear.

The NHS should treat all patients equally and individuals political opinions shouldn't be pinned on their uniforms.

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Fancythatfancyhat · 11/06/2026 15:58

Twiglets1 · 11/06/2026 15:54

Yes I think a pro vaccine pin is inappropriate even though I happen to agree with you that I also believe in vaccines.

Nevertheless, someone talking to a HCP could feel awkward and embarrassed to admit they have no vaccines if they see a pin endorsing vaccines.

Better to appear neutral and less likely to make judgements on those who decide not to vaccinate themselves or their children.

Well tbh I would be going by someone's medical records for their vaccine history. And provided I provide someone with excellent care for the issue they present with, it's not my job to make an antivaxer feel like I'm not judging them, if that's their own internal mindset. Not vaccinating your children is harmful and I wouldn't lie that vaccines aren't scientifically evidenced if asked by a patient so why do I have to be neutral about it? Again wearing a "I've had my jab!" Badge isn't me wearing a "antivaxer are dumb" badge, they obviously have a totally different intention.

ErroltheSwampDragon · 11/06/2026 15:59

Fancythatfancyhat · 11/06/2026 15:45

Who said badges mean we can't seek ways to improve everyone's care? What a reach..I think those wearing badges are in such a minority id like to see evidence people have to self exclude as though there isn't a single HCP who doesn't wear these badges - really? I've said already said I would be interested to know how solely banning pins would work and under what definition they would be banned that wouldn't ban other items.

I didn't say that, but note you haven't provided any evidence despite repeatedly stating that badges improve health outcomes for some. My point was, if the reason for wearing a badge is to help those who have historically been treated worse, why would the people wearing them be opposed to doing something else to achieve the same benefits but without harming others?

Why would banning badges be difficult, they are clearly entirely separate to religious dress?

DomPom47 · 11/06/2026 15:59

Anarchy99 · 11/06/2026 15:54

You want to bang the drum about Palestine; you say it’s what you consider genocide so by definition it is your opinion.

most people in this country don’t really care because they don’t really understand the ins and outs.

I don’t understand why your right to claim support for a particular cause during your working hours trumps the rights of the service users not to feel uncomfortable.

Of course it is my opinion — but it is not an uninformed or fringe one.
When people describe Gaza as a genocide, they are referring to the scale and pattern of what has happened: mass civilian death, repeated attacks on healthcare, the destruction or disabling of hospitals, forced displacement, starvation and famine conditions, and the obstruction of basic necessities for civilian life.
The ICJ has accepted that Palestinians in Gaza have plausible rights under the Genocide Convention that require protection, and UN experts have explicitly warned of an “unfolding genocide”. WHO has recorded hundreds of attacks on healthcare in Gaza since October 2023, and IPC reporting confirmed famine in Gaza Governorate in 2025.
So no, this is not simply me “banging the drum” about a random political cause. It is a moral response to a documented humanitarian catastrophe. You can carry on banging on about pins whilst I carry on banging about an insignificant thing like a genocide.
As for discomfort, I don’t accept that anyone has a right never to encounter views or symbols they disagree with. The relevant professional standard is whether staff provide compassionate, impartial care. I fully support that. What I don’t accept is that healthcare workers must suppress every moral conviction because someone, somewhere, might disagree with it.

PurpleThistle7 · 11/06/2026 16:00

Anarchy99 · 11/06/2026 15:58

And also the pro vax badge should not be worn by a healthcare provider. Again I am also pro vax. But you can stand up for every cause you like when you aren’t at work - it’s disturbing that professional people can’t get through a working day without showing everyone what a socially caring person they are

Indeed. I am not a healthcare provider at all but I still don’t wear political statements at work. I don’t want my staff or my colleagues to feel uncomfortable or judged and that would be even more important if I were a teacher or doctor.

My work is filled with smug people in keffiyehs so I am in the minority though.

Anarchy99 · 11/06/2026 16:01

Fancythatfancyhat · 11/06/2026 15:58

Well tbh I would be going by someone's medical records for their vaccine history. And provided I provide someone with excellent care for the issue they present with, it's not my job to make an antivaxer feel like I'm not judging them, if that's their own internal mindset. Not vaccinating your children is harmful and I wouldn't lie that vaccines aren't scientifically evidenced if asked by a patient so why do I have to be neutral about it? Again wearing a "I've had my jab!" Badge isn't me wearing a "antivaxer are dumb" badge, they obviously have a totally different intention.

You can advise what you feel is the best path for healthcare with vaccines but it’s harder to know whether someone is being objective or trying to push their agenda if they are wearing a pro vax pin.

I just want to be seen by someone who is capable of spending 8 hours a day without wearing the cause du jour on their jacket.

PurpleThistle7 · 11/06/2026 16:02

DomPom47 · 11/06/2026 15:59

Of course it is my opinion — but it is not an uninformed or fringe one.
When people describe Gaza as a genocide, they are referring to the scale and pattern of what has happened: mass civilian death, repeated attacks on healthcare, the destruction or disabling of hospitals, forced displacement, starvation and famine conditions, and the obstruction of basic necessities for civilian life.
The ICJ has accepted that Palestinians in Gaza have plausible rights under the Genocide Convention that require protection, and UN experts have explicitly warned of an “unfolding genocide”. WHO has recorded hundreds of attacks on healthcare in Gaza since October 2023, and IPC reporting confirmed famine in Gaza Governorate in 2025.
So no, this is not simply me “banging the drum” about a random political cause. It is a moral response to a documented humanitarian catastrophe. You can carry on banging on about pins whilst I carry on banging about an insignificant thing like a genocide.
As for discomfort, I don’t accept that anyone has a right never to encounter views or symbols they disagree with. The relevant professional standard is whether staff provide compassionate, impartial care. I fully support that. What I don’t accept is that healthcare workers must suppress every moral conviction because someone, somewhere, might disagree with it.

You can have whatever moral convictions you want on your time. I would never police that in anyway. Go on whatever hate filled marches you like. Keep it out of work. Super easy.

Fancythatfancyhat · 11/06/2026 16:03

ErroltheSwampDragon · 11/06/2026 15:59

I didn't say that, but note you haven't provided any evidence despite repeatedly stating that badges improve health outcomes for some. My point was, if the reason for wearing a badge is to help those who have historically been treated worse, why would the people wearing them be opposed to doing something else to achieve the same benefits but without harming others?

Why would banning badges be difficult, they are clearly entirely separate to religious dress?

Who said they are opposed to that though? Just because they don't want to stop wearing a pin..would.you be happier if someone wore a Palestinian and Israeli pin together?

Because they're not really, depending on how you define a ban. Either you ban anyone wearing pins or badges solely and it has nothing to do with a political or social opinion, fine - but then what stops someone wearing a prom Palestine necklace? Or Palestinian earrings? So then it needs to be specifically about expressing a political opinion,.which btw has nothing to do with the political intention of the wearer and only the assumption from observers, which can include many religious items people perceive to be political.

Fancythatfancyhat · 11/06/2026 16:06

Anarchy99 · 11/06/2026 16:01

You can advise what you feel is the best path for healthcare with vaccines but it’s harder to know whether someone is being objective or trying to push their agenda if they are wearing a pro vax pin.

I just want to be seen by someone who is capable of spending 8 hours a day without wearing the cause du jour on their jacket.

Vaccines aren't my personal opinion to be fair so they're not the best example. Lots of antivax people think HCPs advising vaccines is an agenda but that doesn't make it true.

And you can be is the point! They're literally the majority of HCPs you'll encounter. They may have no cause du jour as you put it but they may have a myriad of other noticeable characteristics that will lead you to assume things about them. Why not just focus on how there treating you?

cupfinalchaos · 11/06/2026 16:06

DomPom47 · 11/06/2026 15:59

Of course it is my opinion — but it is not an uninformed or fringe one.
When people describe Gaza as a genocide, they are referring to the scale and pattern of what has happened: mass civilian death, repeated attacks on healthcare, the destruction or disabling of hospitals, forced displacement, starvation and famine conditions, and the obstruction of basic necessities for civilian life.
The ICJ has accepted that Palestinians in Gaza have plausible rights under the Genocide Convention that require protection, and UN experts have explicitly warned of an “unfolding genocide”. WHO has recorded hundreds of attacks on healthcare in Gaza since October 2023, and IPC reporting confirmed famine in Gaza Governorate in 2025.
So no, this is not simply me “banging the drum” about a random political cause. It is a moral response to a documented humanitarian catastrophe. You can carry on banging on about pins whilst I carry on banging about an insignificant thing like a genocide.
As for discomfort, I don’t accept that anyone has a right never to encounter views or symbols they disagree with. The relevant professional standard is whether staff provide compassionate, impartial care. I fully support that. What I don’t accept is that healthcare workers must suppress every moral conviction because someone, somewhere, might disagree with it.

I am not paying my taxes and coming to hospital to discover your political orientation. I couldn’t care less. Actually, as a Jewish person, in your case I could care less. As a non-Jewish person I probably wouldn’t.

cupfinalchaos · 11/06/2026 16:07

PurpleThistle7 · 11/06/2026 16:02

You can have whatever moral convictions you want on your time. I would never police that in anyway. Go on whatever hate filled marches you like. Keep it out of work. Super easy.

Yup.

Anarchy99 · 11/06/2026 16:07

DomPom47 · 11/06/2026 15:59

Of course it is my opinion — but it is not an uninformed or fringe one.
When people describe Gaza as a genocide, they are referring to the scale and pattern of what has happened: mass civilian death, repeated attacks on healthcare, the destruction or disabling of hospitals, forced displacement, starvation and famine conditions, and the obstruction of basic necessities for civilian life.
The ICJ has accepted that Palestinians in Gaza have plausible rights under the Genocide Convention that require protection, and UN experts have explicitly warned of an “unfolding genocide”. WHO has recorded hundreds of attacks on healthcare in Gaza since October 2023, and IPC reporting confirmed famine in Gaza Governorate in 2025.
So no, this is not simply me “banging the drum” about a random political cause. It is a moral response to a documented humanitarian catastrophe. You can carry on banging on about pins whilst I carry on banging about an insignificant thing like a genocide.
As for discomfort, I don’t accept that anyone has a right never to encounter views or symbols they disagree with. The relevant professional standard is whether staff provide compassionate, impartial care. I fully support that. What I don’t accept is that healthcare workers must suppress every moral conviction because someone, somewhere, might disagree with it.

Ah so it’s okay to have the opinion for all to see as long as you think it’s well informed?

You miss the point that a lot of people don’t understand or care about the Palestinian situation. They don’t need or want to know your thoughts on it, however meaningful you think they are.

DomPom47 · 11/06/2026 16:08

PurpleThistle7 · 11/06/2026 16:02

You can have whatever moral convictions you want on your time. I would never police that in anyway. Go on whatever hate filled marches you like. Keep it out of work. Super easy.

Calling anti-war or pro-Palestinian marches “hate-filled” doesn’t make them so. Millions of people around the world have attended such demonstrations because they are horrified by the scale of civilian suffering in Gaza. You may disagree with them, but describing everyone who attends as motivated by hate is neither accurate nor serious. Ask why journalists are not allowed in. Ask why settlements carry on. Ask why there is a systematic attempt to erase what is happening. Ask why 800,000+ Palestinian olive trees have been uprooted, burned, or otherwise destroyed by Israeli authorities and settlers since 1967.
As for keeping moral convictions out of work, that’s your view. I understand it, but I don’t share it. I don’t believe healthcare workers become morally blank individuals the moment they put on a uniform.
The important question is whether they treat patients professionally, compassionately and impartially. I fully support that standard.
What I don’t accept is the idea that expressing opposition to war, mass civilian death, famine and the destruction of healthcare should automatically be treated as inappropriate simply because some people disagree with it. You can carry on attempting to deny, deflect or dehumanise what is happening to your hearts content. If you are someone who wears a red poppy think about what it truly represents. I will carry on with my Palestine pin and white poppy.

Fancythatfancyhat · 11/06/2026 16:08

Anarchy99 · 11/06/2026 15:58

And also the pro vax badge should not be worn by a healthcare provider. Again I am also pro vax. But you can stand up for every cause you like when you aren’t at work - it’s disturbing that professional people can’t get through a working day without showing everyone what a socially caring person they are

Why ever not? It's literally lifesaving. Ignore what I said about it not being a good example, it's a perfect example of how people perceive things doesn't alter their intent. If you wanna be antivax and assume vaccines are political you're entitled to - what you don't get to do is change facts and say the be edits of vaccines are just an opinion instead of a fact.

ErroltheSwampDragon · 11/06/2026 16:09

Fancythatfancyhat · 11/06/2026 16:03

Who said they are opposed to that though? Just because they don't want to stop wearing a pin..would.you be happier if someone wore a Palestinian and Israeli pin together?

Because they're not really, depending on how you define a ban. Either you ban anyone wearing pins or badges solely and it has nothing to do with a political or social opinion, fine - but then what stops someone wearing a prom Palestine necklace? Or Palestinian earrings? So then it needs to be specifically about expressing a political opinion,.which btw has nothing to do with the political intention of the wearer and only the assumption from observers, which can include many religious items people perceive to be political.

People saying they will keep wearing the pin, irrespective of the harm caused. They are saying they are happy to hurt others because they want to wear the pin. It undermines the justification that it is for the good of others and makes it seem like it is a purely selfish choice.

DomPom47 · 11/06/2026 16:11

Anarchy99 · 11/06/2026 16:07

Ah so it’s okay to have the opinion for all to see as long as you think it’s well informed?

You miss the point that a lot of people don’t understand or care about the Palestinian situation. They don’t need or want to know your thoughts on it, however meaningful you think they are.

If people don’t understand or care about Palestine, they’re welcome to ignore my pin.
That’s rather the point. A small badge isn’t forcing anyone into a political discussion. It’s simply there.
You seem to be arguing that because some people don’t care about an issue, nobody should be allowed to express concern about it. I don’t find that a very persuasive principle.

Anarchy99 · 11/06/2026 16:11

cupfinalchaos · 11/06/2026 16:06

I am not paying my taxes and coming to hospital to discover your political orientation. I couldn’t care less. Actually, as a Jewish person, in your case I could care less. As a non-Jewish person I probably wouldn’t.

I’m non Jewish but it breaks my heart to see how the knuckle draggers are using this situation as an excuse to beat up, bully and kill innocent Jewish people in the UK.

I don’t know which side is ‘right’ in this conflict but seeing people being killed for their religion due to a war that is the other side of the world sickens me.

Anarchy99 · 11/06/2026 16:13

DomPom47 · 11/06/2026 16:11

If people don’t understand or care about Palestine, they’re welcome to ignore my pin.
That’s rather the point. A small badge isn’t forcing anyone into a political discussion. It’s simply there.
You seem to be arguing that because some people don’t care about an issue, nobody should be allowed to express concern about it. I don’t find that a very persuasive principle.

You are missing the point. You wearing a Palestine badge is you setting out your political stall. I can’t respect anyone who is incapable of just doing a job.

We used to have teachers like that at school with their CND badges and their constant selling of a particular type of left wing ideology to young impressionable minds

ErroltheSwampDragon · 11/06/2026 16:13

DomPom47 · 11/06/2026 16:08

Calling anti-war or pro-Palestinian marches “hate-filled” doesn’t make them so. Millions of people around the world have attended such demonstrations because they are horrified by the scale of civilian suffering in Gaza. You may disagree with them, but describing everyone who attends as motivated by hate is neither accurate nor serious. Ask why journalists are not allowed in. Ask why settlements carry on. Ask why there is a systematic attempt to erase what is happening. Ask why 800,000+ Palestinian olive trees have been uprooted, burned, or otherwise destroyed by Israeli authorities and settlers since 1967.
As for keeping moral convictions out of work, that’s your view. I understand it, but I don’t share it. I don’t believe healthcare workers become morally blank individuals the moment they put on a uniform.
The important question is whether they treat patients professionally, compassionately and impartially. I fully support that standard.
What I don’t accept is the idea that expressing opposition to war, mass civilian death, famine and the destruction of healthcare should automatically be treated as inappropriate simply because some people disagree with it. You can carry on attempting to deny, deflect or dehumanise what is happening to your hearts content. If you are someone who wears a red poppy think about what it truly represents. I will carry on with my Palestine pin and white poppy.

Does it not bother you that a previous poster has said that your actions would terrify her child because people have used that same symbol to attack them?

Fancythatfancyhat · 11/06/2026 16:14

ErroltheSwampDragon · 11/06/2026 16:09

People saying they will keep wearing the pin, irrespective of the harm caused. They are saying they are happy to hurt others because they want to wear the pin. It undermines the justification that it is for the good of others and makes it seem like it is a purely selfish choice.

Well a homophobe would say my pin harms them, and a lesbian may feel more comfortable being open to me - why do you want me to weigh those up equally when it's not necessarily my intent to harm the homophobe but he's looking for something to be upset about meanwhile the lesbian patient actually usually feels uncomfortable trying to explain to their HCP why there's definitely no chance of pregnancy? You're reaching a LOT to make the assumptions and hyperbolic reaction of the offended into the intention of the wearer and if we follow your logic then people can state all other minds of symbols are deliberate selfish choices to make other uncomfortable.

Boomer55 · 11/06/2026 16:15

Yes. Staff are there to provide care, not tell us their political beliefs.

cupfinalchaos · 11/06/2026 16:16

Anarchy99 · 11/06/2026 16:11

I’m non Jewish but it breaks my heart to see how the knuckle draggers are using this situation as an excuse to beat up, bully and kill innocent Jewish people in the UK.

I don’t know which side is ‘right’ in this conflict but seeing people being killed for their religion due to a war that is the other side of the world sickens me.

Thank you for acknowledging this.

Fancythatfancyhat · 11/06/2026 16:16

ErroltheSwampDragon · 11/06/2026 16:13

Does it not bother you that a previous poster has said that your actions would terrify her child because people have used that same symbol to attack them?

I have PTSD from an attack involving a car. I get triggered constantly when I hear one. It doesn't mean everyone is selfishly and intentionally triggering me when they drive past me. PPs child went through a horrific attack where there was a flag and appalling behaviour,.that doesn't justify PP wearing a tiny pin of the same flag

Noodledog · 11/06/2026 16:18

I think the handful of (presumably) NHS workers on the thread whose attitude is basically "well, my opinion is important to me and I couldn't give a shit if it makes a patient uncomfortable" just make it clear that a ban needs to be brought in. Professionals really should be able to have the intelligence to differentiate between being at work and being not at work, and why making your political allegiances clear is fine in some situations but not at work.

But apparently the concept is too much for some to understand. So a ban has to be implemented.

DomPom47 · 11/06/2026 16:20

ErroltheSwampDragon · 11/06/2026 16:13

Does it not bother you that a previous poster has said that your actions would terrify her child because people have used that same symbol to attack them?

Yes, it would bother me if any child felt frightened. No child should feel afraid because of politics, war or the actions of adults.
But I don’t accept that a Palestine pin is inherently threatening. I wear it because I oppose the suffering and killing of Palestinian civilians, just as I wear a white poppy because I oppose war and violence.
What also deeply bothers me are the children in Gaza who have been killed, maimed, displaced, denied adequate medical care, and subjected to hunger and bombardment. I hope this also bothers you. That is if you are not into deflection, denial and dehumanisation. Those children deserve our concern too.
The fact that some people have misused a symbol does not mean everyone displaying that symbol shares those motives. By that logic, many symbols would become unusable because someone, somewhere, had abused them.
I have sympathy for any child who feels frightened. But I am not going to stop expressing solidarity with Palestinians because others choose to associate that solidarity with hatred rather than with concern for human rights and civilian lives.
I’m comfortable standing alongside people such as Professor Nick Maynard, an Oxford surgeon who has repeatedly worked in Gaza hospitals, and Professor Ghassan Abu-Sittah, a world-renowned reconstructive surgeon who has spent decades treating Palestinian civilians including far too many injured in conflict.
Both have witnessed conditions in Gaza firsthand. Their willingness to speak out has not made them any less professional, nor any less committed to caring for patients.

ErroltheSwampDragon · 11/06/2026 16:20

Fancythatfancyhat · 11/06/2026 16:14

Well a homophobe would say my pin harms them, and a lesbian may feel more comfortable being open to me - why do you want me to weigh those up equally when it's not necessarily my intent to harm the homophobe but he's looking for something to be upset about meanwhile the lesbian patient actually usually feels uncomfortable trying to explain to their HCP why there's definitely no chance of pregnancy? You're reaching a LOT to make the assumptions and hyperbolic reaction of the offended into the intention of the wearer and if we follow your logic then people can state all other minds of symbols are deliberate selfish choices to make other uncomfortable.

I don't think I'm reaching. There is evidence to show that the pins make people uncomfortable, I've not been provided with evidence to show they make others more comfortable or improve their outcomes.

Following your scenario, other things should be done to make the lesbian feel comfortable irrespective of who is treating her. It certainly shouldn't be down to a pin. The baseline should be everyone feels comfortable and confident that they will be treated properly by all NHS staff, and evidently this isn't the case at the moment.