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Am I the Asshole for being upset that my stepdaughter came on our anniversary camping trip and ended up ruining the weekend?

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Lollylucyclark101 · Yesterday 18:27

I want to start by saying that I’m a stepmum, and I’ve been in my stepdaughter’s life for nearly 11 years. She was three years old when I met her, and she’ll be turning 14 in November.

I have a very good relationship with her mum, and I do a lot for my stepdaughter. I take her to and from school twice a week, cook for her, do her washing, clean her bedroom, look after her when she’s ill, and generally do all the things a parent would do. I also have an 18-year-old son. My stepdaughter comes everywhere with us—shopping trips, the cinema, family days out. We rarely get weekends to ourselves because she’s usually with us, and I’ve never had a problem with that because I genuinely love her.

Every year, my husband and I celebrate our anniversary with a trip to the Lake District. This year was supposed to be no different. However, earlier this year we found out we were going to be made homeless, so we had to cancel both a planned family holiday. All of our money had to go towards moving costs, deposits, rent, and setting up a new home.

We still have a couples holiday booked for September to celebrate ten years together and two years of marriage, but our usual anniversary trip to the Lake District had to be cancelled. Instead, we decided on a simple two-night camping trip. The plan was for it to be just me and my husband.

As soon as my stepdaughter found out, she was furious. She felt it was unfair that we were going away when she hadn’t had a holiday herself and insisted she should come too. (Despite her already going away with her mom twice this year, and another break planned in August) Honestly, I didn’t want her to come….. and we didn’t invite my son.

There is one day out of the entire year that I feel should just be for me and my husband. However, my husband thought it wouldn’t be a big deal and said we should take her.

So we did.

That meant buying an extra airbed, packing more food, and accommodating her gluten-free diet. On the day we left, I gave her a backpack and asked her to pack a couple of days’ worth of clothes, plus essentials like deodorant, a toothbrush, and a hairbrush.

She came downstairs with three overstuffed bags full of clothes that had simply been thrown in. I ended up unpacking everything, folding it properly, and repacking it all into one bag myself…… with her being argumentative and rude as I didn’t it, trying to explain it would all fit. I also had to remind her multiple times to get her toiletries…. Which she didn’t do, so had to use all of mine….. (which meant her diving into bags that were not hers, moving and loosing things whilst we were there, and generally making a mess with the bags)

Fifteen minutes into the journey, she announced she was hungry….. this is despite her eating before we left and her having snacks for the journey……. She got rude and argumentative, until we said she had to wait an hour. We stopped at services for food and to walk the dog, where she decided she needed to empty the car to find the hairbrush she didn’t bring.

When we arrived at the campsite, she refused to help put up the tent or unload the car, and when she was wanted to do was explore…… all fine…..but there’s no need for the attitude. All she wanted to do was wander around with the dog. There were sheep in nearby fields, so I specifically told her not to take the dog up there and not to wander off.

For the first two days, the dog was perfect. He was off-lead the entire time, ignored the sheep completely, and stayed close to us. He is well trained and has specific commands, all of which he immediately responds to.

The first night, she complained about sleeping alone in the tent, despite us explaining before we left, and when we initially invited her; that she and the dog would be in the tent while my husband and I slept in the car.

She complained about the food (BBQ), the ants, the spiders, the sheep poo, the midges….. everything that I had warned her about BEFORE WE LEFT.

The next morning, instead of getting dressed and helping us get ready for the day, she disappeared to the lake with the dog because she wanted to go swimming….. she didn’t ask and for a few mins we didn’t know where she or the dog was! We were literally trying to detach the tent, get dressed and leave for the day, and she simply ignored what we’d asked her to do….. and when she came back it was “oh sorry, I didn’t know” (and I’m like YEA YOU DID!)

She was fine in the local town and beach because it’s what SHE wanted to do. Usually we would have just hiked with the dog all day, but she complained about us wanting to do that too, so we didn’t.

The second night cooler and was windy and rainy. She was perfectly safe in the tent but decided she no longer wanted to sleep there at about 3 am, screaming (instead of just knocking the rear window of the car) and waking up the whole campsite…..she wanted to sleep in the car with us instead. So all three of us ended up squeezed into a Volkswagen Passat on an airbed.

Nobody could move. It was hot and she spent the next hour complaining that she was too hot and didn’t have enough room, that she was uncomfortable…….Eventually I completely lost my patience, got up, and tried to leave to sleep in the tent with the dog instead. Only then did my husband offer to move.

By the final morning, everyone was exhausted. I was trying not to loose my temper, but everything I asked her to do was “why can’t you? or “I’m not doing that”….. when I specifically to help us pack up her things and put everything in one area ready to load into the car, she again complained she didn’t have room for everything in her one bag abs threw it on the floor saying “well you do it then”……..

Instead, she wandered off again with the dog, whilst we were distracted.

The dog followed her towards the area where the sheep were. This time, he decided to chase them. The moment I shouted for him, he stopped immediately and came running back to me and i immediately put him in the car.

My stepdaughter came back saying she didn’t understand why he’d done it and that she’d been telling him to stop but he wasn’t listening.

At that point, I completely lost my temper and I really, REALLY shouted at her. I told her that farmers are legally entitled to protect their livestock and that the dog could have been shot dead because she ignored my repeated instructions. I had specifically told her not to go up that part of the camp. She kept blaming the dog and saying it wasn’t her fault.

The dog had behaved perfectly for two days. He had not been on a lead the entire time and if I saw his focus drifting, he was recalled and refocused on his ball or food or something else It was only when she wandered off up near the sheep because SHE wanted to “catch” one, that there was a problem.

The entire drive home, I barely spoke. I was upset, frustrated, and honestly resentful. My husband has told me I’m being too harsh and that I need to let it go and she understands.

My husband DID tell her off each with each incident (so did I in my interactions with her), so we arnt letting her get away with it.

My view is that she shouldn’t have been on the trip in the first place, that the whole point was for my husband and me to spend some time together, and that her behaviour throughout the weekend made what was supposed to be our anniversary trip stressful and unenjoyable and the incident with the dog just was the icing on the cake. She’s nearly 14. Big enough to follow instructions.

Safe to say she won’t be coming with me again. I’d rather not go than take her again. My husband thinks I’m being silly.

OP posts:
Wheesht2 · Yesterday 19:16

FHS get your dog on a lead around farm animals, no matter how good its recall is, everyone with an ounce of sense knows this.
as for your SD, not great behaviour but pretty typical, especially if your obviously competing for dads attention.

PistachioTiramisu · Yesterday 19:17

What a horrible, rude little madam you have there - don't take her away with you again, please!

Shedmistress · Yesterday 19:17

This is not Reddit.

BippityBopper · Yesterday 19:18

Stand your ground OP. Youre not being silly. Your step daughter was being bratty. If your DH can't see that, he's in for bigger problems ahead.

At best, I'd put her behaviour down to adjusting to you in her life, but that's not even relevant seeing as you've known her for yours and seem to have a close relationship with her. Some teenagers do go through this awful stage (awful to be around) but I wouldn't be backing down to your DH, especially seeing as she just didn't need to be there.

Rhaidimiddim · Yesterday 19:19

Any parent with an ounce of common sense would have known taking her with would have been a total disaster.

Your DH should have stuck up for your short-but-special holiday and told her no. In what world did he think taking her was a good idea?!

FiveGoMadInDorset · Yesterday 19:19

My take away from this is that you need to put your dog on a lead within sniffing distance of sheep, your dog does not have perfect recall if you need to use a ball to distract him, a bit sad no one reported you and you didn’t end up with a huge fine

THisbackwithavengeance · Yesterday 19:21

i think it’s wrong for you to say you’ll never take her away again. But equally I don’t understand why you and your DH didn’t say to her no you’re not coming with us on this occasion and have done with it.

Stoicandhappy · Yesterday 19:21

I don’t really understand why she was allowed to hijack your holiday. You should have told DH you wouldn’t be going if she was.

Lollylucyclark101 · Yesterday 19:22

Weedingtodo · Yesterday 19:07

earlier this year we found out we were going to be made homeless, so we had to cancel both a planned family holiday. All of our money had to go towards moving costs, deposits, rent, and setting up a new home.

Umm, do you mean your rental (or other) arrangement came to an end and you had to rent somewhere else? Because that’s not being made homeless.

There are faults on every side here.
DSD sounds like hard work on this occasion, but then you clearly resented her presence from the start. It’s normal for a 13 year old to feel scared waking alone in a tent on a windy night btw.

You shouldn’t have chosen to camp near sheep with a dog.

Put it behind you now.

We had to move house.

it was a car tent, so she wasn’t alone as the rear door was open. She’s also nearly 14 so not a toddler

I didn’t want her there for 2 nights out of 365

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Lollylucyclark101 · Yesterday 19:23

Wheesht2 · Yesterday 19:16

FHS get your dog on a lead around farm animals, no matter how good its recall is, everyone with an ounce of sense knows this.
as for your SD, not great behaviour but pretty typical, especially if your obviously competing for dads attention.

What?! 🤣🤣🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️

I wanted 2 nights out of 365.

Theres no need for him to be in a lead. She shouldn’t have wondered off.

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DRose3 · Yesterday 19:23

She’s 13, hormonal, and had a massive change (prob scary for her too). YABU, letting a child sleep in a tent on her own whilst two adults sleep in the car. You love her like your own, yet you little regard for her safety. Yes, she prob thought she would be fine but she wasn’t. I wouldn’t sleep alone in the tent either! Ridiculous that you didn’t share the space with her.

Yes, she was rude. That isn’t on but to be expected somewhat. Does it really matter that she was hungry again? Are you able to stave off hunger for an hour in the car? I’m not usually.
Plans with children are just that plans, we all know they often change as we need to accommodate them.

No, the dog shouldn’t have been off lead - and it was your responsibility to tell her what would happen with the sheep re the dog getting shot. I’m guessing she didn’t know.

You clearly didn’t want her along so should have said no. The fact that she went along you should have been nicer.

As someone else said she prob felt you didn’t want her along. I would have laughed at 3 bags, utterly ridiculous and shows she didn’t know about camping.

Your dh prob let her come along as he didn’t think it would be romantic, however I can understand you wanting alone time together which is not unreasonable.

Tulipsriver · Yesterday 19:23

Firstly your husband sounds lazy. Why are you doing all the grunt work of caring for his daughter?

Secondly, I can't imagine ever arranging a trip for me and DH if we weren't taking our children away that year (even if they were going away with someone else... that's not quality time with me). Why didn't your DH find a campsite you'd all enjoy if it wasn't possible to do two trips?

Thirdly, she sounds like a moody teenager that wasn't enjoying a trip that hadn't been planned with her in mind. Annoying but understandable given her age. Why on earth was she in a tent on her own?

Lastly, having your dog off lead around sheep is really irresponsible. As you found out, even very well behaved dogs can have a moment of misbehaviour that could cause real damage. You and your DH are responsible adults, it was your job to mitigate that risk by making sure he was kept on a lead.

Lollylucyclark101 · Yesterday 19:24

Stoicandhappy · Yesterday 19:21

I don’t really understand why she was allowed to hijack your holiday. You should have told DH you wouldn’t be going if she was.

Hindsight is a beautiful thing. I agree with you.

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corkscissorschalk · Yesterday 19:24

@Lollylucyclark101
I’m not a step mum, so I can’t fully appreciate the dynamic.
It sounds as if she behaved on the holiday as she is day in day out, only that it probably bothered you more because you didn’t want her camping with you and she made the experience less enjoyable.

In future, saying no to someone is kinder than saying yes, them not fulfilling expectations for whatever reason( in your case because she is a 14 year old teen) , and then you getting really pissed of at them.

I think this is common for people who really try hard at things, and always want to do their best. I’ve learnt that it’s best to say no before my patience runs out, otherwise I end up getting upset and frustrated.

openended · Yesterday 19:25

He didn't parent effectively though did he? At 14 she is old enough to know that she doesn't have to go on every holiday with you. I would have gone over her head, spoken to her mum and said that this wasn't a family getaway but to celebrate your anniversary and your itinerary might not be something she would be interested in. Instead he just gave in to her demands and took her. He could and should have told her to stop behaving so rudely and that her behaviour was unacceptable. As soon as she decided she wasn't sleeping in the tent he should have gone back with the dog and slept there. Instead he let you all be cramped until he offered to go. Now he is telling you that you are being harsh. Fact is he isn't harsh enough. She is at an age where she is old enough to appreciate her behaviour has consequences but you do actually have to demonstrate that. He isn't doing that so her behaviour will just go unchecked.

On a side note I very much agree that I would not have left a child of her age to sleep alone in the tent, instead I would have expected her to stay in the car with one of you.

Lollylucyclark101 · Yesterday 19:26

Tulipsriver · Yesterday 19:23

Firstly your husband sounds lazy. Why are you doing all the grunt work of caring for his daughter?

Secondly, I can't imagine ever arranging a trip for me and DH if we weren't taking our children away that year (even if they were going away with someone else... that's not quality time with me). Why didn't your DH find a campsite you'd all enjoy if it wasn't possible to do two trips?

Thirdly, she sounds like a moody teenager that wasn't enjoying a trip that hadn't been planned with her in mind. Annoying but understandable given her age. Why on earth was she in a tent on her own?

Lastly, having your dog off lead around sheep is really irresponsible. As you found out, even very well behaved dogs can have a moment of misbehaviour that could cause real damage. You and your DH are responsible adults, it was your job to mitigate that risk by making sure he was kept on a lead.

It was a car tent. It’s attached to the car so ah wasn’t really “alone”.

he does parent her. I’m just giving the examples of when I had to parent her.

it was all planned BEFORE she decided she wanted to come. So has been paid for.

the dog was fine until she decided NOT TO LISTEN.

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Lollylucyclark101 · Yesterday 19:27

openended · Yesterday 19:25

He didn't parent effectively though did he? At 14 she is old enough to know that she doesn't have to go on every holiday with you. I would have gone over her head, spoken to her mum and said that this wasn't a family getaway but to celebrate your anniversary and your itinerary might not be something she would be interested in. Instead he just gave in to her demands and took her. He could and should have told her to stop behaving so rudely and that her behaviour was unacceptable. As soon as she decided she wasn't sleeping in the tent he should have gone back with the dog and slept there. Instead he let you all be cramped until he offered to go. Now he is telling you that you are being harsh. Fact is he isn't harsh enough. She is at an age where she is old enough to appreciate her behaviour has consequences but you do actually have to demonstrate that. He isn't doing that so her behaviour will just go unchecked.

On a side note I very much agree that I would not have left a child of her age to sleep alone in the tent, instead I would have expected her to stay in the car with one of you.

Edited

I agree with you.

but

it’s a car tent. So is attached to the back of the car and the door was open. So not really “alone”.

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MyAutumnCrow · Yesterday 19:28

Twooclockrock · Yesterday 19:16

Ok this whole thing sounds like a trip from hell. One teen, one dog, two adults, one tent, rain, mud and sheep and one airbed in the back of a car 😂
Honestly, its no wonder you and her were rubbing each other up the wrong way.
Try and see the funny side of it.. it sounds like an episode of a sitcom. Have you seen the Father Ted episode where they stay in the caravan?
On the plus side I doubt she will ever go camping again with you.. maybe not at all.

Oh yes, with Father Graham Norton riverdancing till dawn and the caravan topples over.

The sheep worrying isn’t funny though. The dog doesn’t have to sink its teeth into a sheep. Terrifying it will cause a lot a damage.

MyrtlethePurpleTurtle · Yesterday 19:29

Opril · Yesterday 18:41

She sounds irritating. Boundaries are needed from both of you. I didn’t blame you for not wanting to go with her again. It is unfair that you ended up in the tent.

Lots of people will comment on how long your thread was. It was not a problem at all for me, but people struggle with literacy in real life and on here. Be prepared for constant comments about how many words you have used!

And yet the OP would be criticised for drip feeding if stuff weren't included.

if people find a post too long, they can scroll on by (or make catty comments like the first reply on this thread)

Ophy83 · Yesterday 19:29

If you can afford to, I think you need a proper romantic weekend away. No teenagers, be firm.

Magicpaintbrush · Yesterday 19:30

Your DH shouldn't have allowed her to come in the first place. It was for your anniversary and not her business to be there - just because she stamps her foot and has a tantrum shouldn't mean she just gets her own way. She sounds like Verruca Salt. One day a year as a couple is not much to ask ffs. Doesn't your DH feel the same or does he just not care???

Lollylucyclark101 · Yesterday 19:31

DRose3 · Yesterday 19:23

She’s 13, hormonal, and had a massive change (prob scary for her too). YABU, letting a child sleep in a tent on her own whilst two adults sleep in the car. You love her like your own, yet you little regard for her safety. Yes, she prob thought she would be fine but she wasn’t. I wouldn’t sleep alone in the tent either! Ridiculous that you didn’t share the space with her.

Yes, she was rude. That isn’t on but to be expected somewhat. Does it really matter that she was hungry again? Are you able to stave off hunger for an hour in the car? I’m not usually.
Plans with children are just that plans, we all know they often change as we need to accommodate them.

No, the dog shouldn’t have been off lead - and it was your responsibility to tell her what would happen with the sheep re the dog getting shot. I’m guessing she didn’t know.

You clearly didn’t want her along so should have said no. The fact that she went along you should have been nicer.

As someone else said she prob felt you didn’t want her along. I would have laughed at 3 bags, utterly ridiculous and shows she didn’t know about camping.

Your dh prob let her come along as he didn’t think it would be romantic, however I can understand you wanting alone time together which is not unreasonable.

It was a car tent. So attached to the back of the car with the door open. So she wasn’t “alone”…… literally if I stuck my hand out I could have touched her.

she had snacks in the car so wasn’t going to starve lol

she was TOLD not to take the dog up there and didn’t listen. He was fine for 2 days until she decided to wander off. Yep it was a shock for her. She needed it.

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Shodan · Yesterday 19:32

You said you still have a couples holiday booked for September though? So you'd have 7 nights alone together, I assume?

I can see her point to a degree- you get 2 holidays with her Dad, she gets none.

The rest of it though- no, you shouldn't have your dog off lead near sheep, no matter how good their recall. Yes, her father should have stepped up more. And yes, teenagers are quite often stroppy and difficult.

Lollylucyclark101 · Yesterday 19:33

MyAutumnCrow · Yesterday 19:28

Oh yes, with Father Graham Norton riverdancing till dawn and the caravan topples over.

The sheep worrying isn’t funny though. The dog doesn’t have to sink its teeth into a sheep. Terrifying it will cause a lot a damage.

I agree and this was my point to her. He spent 2 days not caring about the sheep and being the perfect dog until she didn’t listen and wander offs she’s not a toddler SO knew better.

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PumpkinsAndCoconuts · Yesterday 19:33

Yanbu. But seems like you and your DH (particularly your DH) did not communicate and enforce boundaries.

This was your anniversary trip. Not a family holiday. So she shouldn’t have been allowed to come.

She was told that she had to pack (properly). She didn’t. But there were no consequences because you did it for her.

She was told she’d have to sleep in the tent with your dog. But she ended up sleeping in the car.

She was told to help pack up the tend but went swimming instead. But you still proceeded to do what she wanted (town, beach).

Is that how it usually goes? What did your husband actually do during those instances? Were there consequences? Does her father usually actively parent her?