2 Tier Britain and Policing - Digwa

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Just heard Nigel talk about this on LBC following Digwa sentencing. Also saw the video... I'm shocked and so saddened. Not sure what my aibu is but I think we need to ban all religious weapons for a start . What do u think ? Are you in police ? Are you treating people differently?

You honestly can't see anything wrong with that? It's the equivalent of a group of right wing protesters turning up at the funeral of Bhim Kohli, to protest about immigration.

“You were sober but were carrying a large Sikh dagger in a sheath attached to a
belt over the outside of your clothing. It is a strict requirement of the Sikh faith
to have a knife, called a kirpan, at all times.

Generally, this will be a small
knife, hidden from view, often on a length of cord and worn around the neck.
You had that but, in addition, the large dagger in a sheath. You are a member
of an order of Sikhs called the Nihang who have a tradition of having a second
knife, or kirpan and that is often fully visible, believing that the guru will look
favourably on that. You observed that tradition in your everyday life, at work
and in public. However, it was not a strict requirement; that is borne out by
the fact that neither your brother nor father who arrived on the scene after you
had stabbed Henry were so dressed.

According to Professor Gurnam Singh,
Professor of Sociology and an expert in the field: “Over the last 30 years, there
has been a trend towards younger people wearing a kirpan with pride, in a
desire to express their cultural identity. They see it as an act of resistance to
being denied the ability otherwise to display their identity.”

From the final sentencing remarks by the judge.

Someone needs to tell the judge that the knife Digwa wasn't a kirpan then, because he is under the impression that is was.

But Digwa was born in the UK? So why should that inflame anyone?

Could you just for one minute, please, connect two brain cells together for a moment and think about what it is you've just said?

In fact, please tell me why you think it's a good thing that the Stand Up We're Racist crowd turned up to Henry Novak's vigil – a White boy from Essex who had just been handcuffed and left to bleed to death because the word 'racism!' was used – to start chanting about how there are many more of us than you, and that refugees are welcome? Why is that a GOOD thing?

Would you think it similarly ok for right wing protesters to attend a funeral for a victim of racism?

I’ll have an opinion after looking up what Farage has said about other similar tragedies with different participants.

How often does that happen? The left can't ever let a protest go ahead without organising a counter protest.

We don't know whether the murder was racially motivated, you are correct on that. What we do know though is that the police response was racially motivated and that is the wider problem. It was their job to ascertain what had happened, not blanket believe that the white boy had racially abused the asian boy because the asian boy had said so resulting in them cuffing the white boy without at least listening to him first. Since when did racial abuse merit being handcuffed anyway?

Good. In the meantime, watch the video footage and be extremely concerned at the state of UK policing. Excuses and minimising. Disgusting.

It wasn't a funeral though. It was a 'vigil' organised by “the Patriotic Bristolian” staged against “two-tier policing where some communities appear to be protected at the expense of others”.

That was the premise of the event.

And Henry Nowak's family said he was against racism. So he likely wouldn't want his name to be hijacked by the likes of Farage and Yaxley Lennon.

Does being born in the UK mean that he isn’t part of an ethnic and religious minority who claimed to be the victim of a racist attack?

He was the one to invoke the racial element in the first place, at an already particularly flammable moment in time.

Whether it should or shouldn’t be inflamed is irrelevant. It is inflamed. The protest at the vigil only served to throw more petrol
on the fire.

The problem was the police believed the phoned in report by the killer - a racist attack where he has been stabbed by a man. Those attending would have just been told there has been a stabbing.

I don't know of many cases where someone has phoned in on such a serious offence with a complete lie. Perhaps it does happen and other cases will come to light. It's a shame the person taking the call didn't ask more about the person who claimed to be stabbed eg where were the injuries because then they might have been suspicious as he had no injuries

He probably hasn’t but equally Zack Polanski has desperately dodged this one. Is it surprising?

Does being born in the UK mean that he isn’t part of an ethnic and religious minority who claimed to be the victim of a racist attack?

Has anyone claimed this?

He's a murderer, of course he's going to try and get out of it, that's what murderers do. It's up to the police to properly train their officers to not be influenced by the person who called the police and to go into the situation without any bias.

I never said it was ok to be handcuffed for whatever the crime that Novak may have been accused of - he was not resisting arrest or aggressive. I have said that repeatedly that it was a massive failing on the part of the police and that it has been called out by other current and former police officers, who will know much more than me about the correct procedures in this scenario.

What’s happened is barbaric, but it’s obvious that Farage has jumped on this to score political points, he knows what he’s doing with his ‘pure cold rage’ comment, he knows this type of language is open to interpretation and will incite people to start attacking brown people while he can claim plausible deniability. It’s one of the oldest tricks in the book.

If Henry Nowak had been the one to stab a white British boy, you’d have people claiming he can’t be British because his surname sounds distinctly foreign and we need to deport immigrants 🤣, and if someone called John Smith had stabbed a black man, it would be crickets or they’d be shouting about how he ‘must have done something’

It’s bullshit.

”But Digwa was born in the UK? So why should that inflame anyone?”

What relevance does his nationality have then, regarding inflamed racial tensions?

“It's up to the police to properly train their officers to not be influenced by the person who called the police and to go into the situation without any bias.“

That the police failed to do that is precisely the problem people have. This case isn’t being perceived as an individual one, but as one indicative of a much bigger systemic failure.

This is so reminiscent of the aftermath of Lee Rigby. Both the victims' families have put forward their request. That does not make the problem go away. It's the elephant in the room.

Either case, they are memorial events to honour the passing of innocent lives lost through violent action. I couldn't give a hoot who the organisers are. The fact remains, it's extremely disrespectful to hijack funerals/ vigils with protest groups.

:Professor Gurnam Singh,
Professor of Sociology and an expert in the field: “Over the last 30 years, there
has been a trend towards younger people wearing a kirpan with pride, in a
desire to express their cultural identity. They see it as an act of resistance to
being denied the ability otherwise to display their identity.”

In court cases, expert witnesses are called to testify on such matters. This is what he said and so the judge can reasonably follow it.

If the Sikh community strongly disagrees then maybe they need to also be writing to the Attorney General.
Presumably without that expert witness, the sentence would have been harsher and at least a mandatory 25 years as there were additional aggravating factors.

Now if suddenly someone is saying that eg the Muslim or Sikh community should always have a voice in cases that could affect how they are viewed and be allowed to send in their expert witnesses, not sure what to say about that!

Farage is only able to wedge his poison front and centre because there has been a moral vacuum in this country for more than 3 decades. We have pandered to all manner of bullshit instead of welcoming people to live here and making it clear that this is how we do things and if you don't like that, then don't come because any deviation will not be tolerated. Farage, or someone else like him, has been nailed on for years, probably since Blair in fact.

I think it goes to show what an incredibly hard job the police have. Only last week 2 men in an airport beat the 7 bells out of some police and then were aquited in a court of doing that.

I feel it is time we had some US style laws such as beat on the police and its jail time, do it three times and its a 20 year sentence type thing.

People keep going on about the number of people in prison in the UK, the problem isn't the sentencing, its the number of criminals. Reduce the criminals and the number of jail places drops. Two ways to reduce criminals, #1 let them do stuff nut do not classify it as criminal, #2 make the sentences so harsh people don't want to become criminals.

Nobody should carry weapons and it should be banned for everyone. If anyone who believes that non white people in this country are treated better than others, they are idiots.

Just quickly, remind me who was treated better by the police henry Nowak or Digwa?