2 Tier Britain and Policing - Digwa

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Just heard Nigel talk about this on LBC following Digwa sentencing. Also saw the video... I'm shocked and so saddened. Not sure what my aibu is but I think we need to ban all religious weapons for a start . What do u think ? Are you in police ? Are you treating people differently?

I feel for the rank and file officers who just want to do the job they thought they had signed up to do. The only good thing to come from this awful crime is that politicians have finally come together to agree something needs to change with two tier policing.

Well they wouldn’t need to do that if the last few governments starting from Tony Blair’s govt onwards hadn’t also politicised race by calling anyone who speaks up about real concerns “far right” and “racists”. It’s the left who started politicising it!

Well we live in a democracy so all debates on legislation are readily available.
And here we are talking about an exemption to recent legislation and I give below an example of the debated issues.

See
hansard.parliament.uk/Lords/2019-01-30/debates/D16A984D-673D-448F-9137-C2B29494281B/OffensiveWeaponsBill

It was stated:
“I cannot recall any occasion where a Sikh possessing the kirpan has used it as an offensive weapon and caused physical harm to anyone. This afternoon, in fact, I spoke to an ex-commander of the Metropolitan Police who verified what I say; it has not been used as an offensive weapon by the Sikhs. I therefore feel that a kirpan should not be deemed an offensive weapon and provision must be made for that in this legislation. As has been mentioned, the Sikhs are law-abiding people. The kirpan needs to be exempted from the relevant sections of the Criminal Justice Act 1988.”

Well that has changed now! And at the very least a definition of what would constitute a legal kirpan is required clearly. That was another concern mentioned actually.

People can go look this stuff up if they like on Hansard.

Utter nonsense. Another “Look what you made me do” excuse.

I do not think you can justify the carrying of knives for religious purposes. That needs looking at.

Is that the best you can do? You will have to do better than that

For two long now the public discourse has been anti white anti Britain. We need to stop all these different months “black history month” “pride month” etc all this stuff is divisive and automatically gives certain groups “victim status” in peoples minds, it also portrays other groups as he bad guys.

Look at how we’ve allowed the prioritisation of other cultures over our culture. How we’ve sought to demonise our great history.

We need to stop this victimhood, this anti patriotism, anti white male, anti traditional anti woman bollocks. In another thread we had people trying to defend an abusive man cos it was his religion that dictated he could tell his wife and daughter what to wear and threatened to cut them off if they didn’t comply.

We need to stop pussyfooting round what is happening in this country. We shouldn’t be making concessions to our own standards and norms to accommodate other cultures and norms. We need to to stop bowing down to people shouting about some kind of ism and anti this and that every time someone doesn’t get what they want. Ironically some groups like the Jewish community who are actually facing terrible attacks are the ones who the do gooders aren’t championing and are actively stirring up hate towards the Jewish community.

We need to reassess our educational, cultural, media and political institutions to ensure they aren’t championing this division and victimhood, demonising traditional Britain. Things need to change and I think even some of the woke are actually waking up. I just hope it’s not too late to save this country.

Every person who has been anti white male has blood on their hands over this poor boys death

You are right in that 'nobody is above the law'. The Kirpan can be worn legally by Sikhs.

Oh and to dismiss it as utter nonsense is yet more gaslighting bullshit from the left!

It’s the left who started the politicising of racism. And Keir Starmer has done absolutely nothing but politicise the word since he got into No10! Racist this and far right that! Unfortunately the racist card no longer works as it’s now lost its effect because it gets used Willy nilly nowadays!

It’s disagreement, not gaslighting.

I have already addressed this to another poster!

Take the knee.

Oh get lost.

What has pride got to do with being “anti white,” whatever that means.

This isn’t bigot bingo.

No saying it’s utter nonsense when it’s literally the truth is gaslighting! You know exactly who started throwing around the racist card bullshit! Calling everyone who opposed mass migration racists! Don’t give me the shit it’s just disagreement when I’ve read a lot of your other posts!

I mean, when you a really look at the main religions the main thing uniting them is pandering to and protecting men's feelings. Then you have the police running around basically doing the same thing, we pretend we're a secular society but are we really, when we'd let someone choke on their own blood rather than entertain the idea they might have offended a man? We're as bad as the religious states starving and stoning each other to death if we bend to the whims of these fantasists. There is no place for religion in a modern society.

Nah anyone joining the police force in the last 10 years have to be dumb blind and thick not to know what the police force is like

they joined up knowing that it’s a racist homophobic misogynist corrupt service

so they need to own it
if your in the police your part of the problem that’s happening right now
where the accusations of racism is more important than a young white man being stabbed

I agree this case is about inadequate policing however people like Farage and Musk will make it about religion to suit their agenda.

What is your personal experience of this? Because that’s deeply unfair.

No I won’t “get lost” - this is what most people think, people are fed up of it, and now a poor boy has lost his like because of the rhetoric that “racism” is some kind of magic word,

Cab you actually debate points or do you just want people making well reasoned arguments to disappear because they clash with your comfortable little world view?

Oh well done for 'addressing this'🙄

Fair point.

It is about policing, but the question is is why did the term “racism” trump everything else in this scenario

Presuming you meant gay pride, that’s got absolutely nothing to do with “anti white” (?!) anything.

Like I said. Bigot bingo.

Not sure - present me with a “well reasoned argument” and I’ll respond to it. I’ll wait.

Im a black woman married to a white man

Ive seen it in personal several times over 30 years

someone used the “race card “ and the police assume my partner is racist immediately - because he is a big white man who looks like he should right down there in Southampton with Tommy - 10 names Robinson

Im a black woman old enough to remember Stephen Lawrence
bring it forward to recent years rarely a few days go buy where there is a police officer being charged for racist homophobic abusing their power and yes even murder

so yeah anyone joining know exactly what they are signing up for

'Spouting misinformation'? Quick google gives me this:

"To establish criminal negligence, the prosecution typically must prove three fundamental elements:
Duty of Care: The defendant owed a legal obligation to ensure the safety or well-being of the victim.
Gross Breach: The defendant's conduct was a gross, extreme deviation from the standard of care a reasonable person would use in the same circumstances.
Foreseeable Risk: The defendant's actions created an obvious and serious risk of death or severe harm that went unnoticed or unaddressed."

I'm not claiming to be a lawyer but I think I used the terminology properly. Of course, that will have to be determined in court but to me, that's what it looks like. Apart from the fact that justice needs to be served for the victim, minimising this situation is a complete miscalculation that will hand Reform some perceived moral high ground and help them sow yet more divisions. We have to be objective. That kid was left to die in a shocking manner and the cops failed on all three points.