Does the ground floor flat have the sole right to the front garden or is it shared?

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In a victorian house converted into flats, which are all rented from one landlord?

The rear garden belongs to the GF I know that, but what about the front garden?

Photo for example included, not my home

Yabu - belongs to the gf flat only
Yanbu - belongs to all the flats as they all have to pass by it to get home

Nc as outing

Sorry to clarify, we don't share a front door but both doors open onto the same porchway similar to in your example picture.

When I owned a GF property like that it included sole ownership of the front garden and shared ownership of the back.

I pulled out of a ground floor flat sale as the upstairs flat had a right to use the the big back garden. There was no access point, no stairs and they had never exercised that privilege but there was always that risk. The rules for front or back gardens will vary from home to home.

This.

i know it's not yours, but that one is lovely!

Whats the actual issue at yours?

Not necessarily, right to access (the front door )doesn't give you right to sit in the garden, put your bins there, change the planting etc

the only way to know is reading the lease/deeds.

I guess I'd assume it was a thoroughfare to get into the building primarily. So everyone can walk through it.

Bearing in mind someone's window is directly in front of it, it's tiny so offers no privacy from the street; I'd find myself feeling awkward as an upstairs resident using that space.

Though I'd speak to downstairs and see what they think about putting seating there. In theory if you can use it then others in the building can too. If there's more than 2 flats.

Ultimately it's down to the landlord I presume?

Unless your children are banging on drums when passing his door, they are making typical noise kids make and he cannot bully you into making them tiptoe around his door because he doesn't like hearing children.

If it's a HA then he likely doesn't own the front garden or have any specific rights over it. HA's don't tend to give stuff like that otherwise they would charge more. He's probably just assumed control over it and gotten away with it because he hasn't been questioned but definitely check with your HA to be sure.

If he makes any threats call the police.

Then don't buy/rent a flat, especially one that's a converted Victorian house.

where do you think the bins should be kept?

and if you have a storage shed, that's kind ip what they're for, storing things.

That aside, it's the noise he's complaining about, not storing things.

Why is he storing stuff in the front garden when the back garden is his? Seems very selfish

Hope you get it sorted OP

Now this is a bloody point

Have never seen the bikes on the road!

There is no universal answer. The HA will have allocated the external space to each flat on the deeds and may have rules about storage.

Thank you, he has tried to bully me!

It literally is just normal noise that children make, when entering and exiting our home!

We don't use the front garden for anything at all other than storing these small things

The Leasehold plans will show which flat has ownership of it.

No the bike & scooter are irrelevant to the threats.

what has he actually said:threatened?

being honest, how noisy are you & the kids in the bit outside his door?

It absolutely depend on the lease if the flats are owned.if you are all renting you will have details on your rental agreement. It does not depend on whether you share the front door. It could be shared or allocated to one flat.

I live in a similar ground floor flat. Rear garden is ours. Upstairs own the front garden but obviously shared path. Porch we share. Upstairs own the side gate so we can’t access the rear garden from the front but they only use it to access our garden when a window cleaner comes and tell us beforehand. We can store things like umbrellas, muddy boots etc in the porch but don’t as we prefer to keep it clear.

Nobody here can tell you this. It’ll depend on title deeds and letting agreement. Some don’t allow anything near doors because of fire risk.

He said it you dont stop her banging when coming downstairs i'm gonna sort it - i said how, he said something about being friendly with the neighbours doesnt mean I can take the piss

I said I have been a very considerate neighbour and I am always polite (listening to his long tales about his medical complaints is what I mean there)

He said he hears banging at all hours and doesnt say anything. I said I had no idea but will make sure this isnt the case

Then he said I thought you'd just agree, but youre defending your dc and got your back up

I said I will defend my dd, and to please contsct the HA if he has an issue

Then he said 'just tell your dc to stop banging on my door' and then blocked me

Now dc does make some noise throughout the day. They are often up late due to being off school long term, so although I have tried to limit the noise at night but will be more vigilant

How he can hear noise from the gf when i am on the 2nd, I dont know but i'm not that neighbour, I will make sure theres no loudness at night

Re the banging outside his door, it really is just a child playing making typical noises

Re the banging outside his door, it really is just a child playing making typical noises
I suspect you’re minimising just how loud your kids are, op.
You said earlier they literally just pass his door to get to the front door, why are they “playing” there?
I’m also wondering what exactly you’d class as typical noises…
I wouldn’t expect much noise at all from a child literally walking down a hall to get to the front door.

She isn’t playing, just moving past and making childlike sounds

she will be there for 3 mins maximum as I may take that time to get downstairs

sorry but I think that’s acceptabl

Why say playing, then deny that she’s playing?
Stop sending her downstairs to wait for you outside your neighbour’s door, fgs. You know it’s causing an issue and it’s surely totally unnecessary.

Indeed.

And it's probably also the case that the OP is used to her children's noise, expects it, and of course, loves her children, so doesn't mind their noise.

But if you're not expecting even ordinary children's noise, have no relationship with the children, and aren't very well, even normal children's noise could be too much. The unpredictability and the high pitch of children's noise might be quite disrupting.

Oh fgs I used the wrong word

No i need my child to go downstairs before I do, so I can bring down the bins or her stuff to take to the car

I'm on the 2nd floor so lugging it all downstairs requires two hands

Shes down there for 3 mins at most whilst I come down - this is usually once a day, its rare we go out twice a day

I'm not stopping her from doing that, we are using the hallway for its intended purpose

This guy has a child. Hes unhinged