Sex trafficking by refugees in the UK

[justasking111]

7 afghans charged with human trafficking. Most from Norfolk, one from Scotland an eighth the CPS will have to extricate from Ireland. They're accused of trafficking young teens.

They're uk refugees officially.

Aibu to say charge, if found guilty ship them back to Afghanistan?

Having read about half the thread, the doublethink from some posters here (or the wilful blindness) is incredible. Let’s go through some basic facts.

• Every nation on earth is misogynistic to some degree, and has issues with sex equality, sexual violence, and CSA.
• Some countries are much, much more misogynistic than others, and oppress women to a far greater degree, with inequality being seen as the norm or even preferable by the majority of society, instead of a problem to be fixed.
• Afghanistan is one of the very worst (if not the worst) nations, where women now have fewer rights than livestock, and are viewed as less human than men by the vast majority of the population (even many of the women themselves, probably). The dehumanisation is abject.
• Many other undeveloped nations suffer from similar issues, where the misogyny is magnitudes greater and more normalised than Britain. You can see that in those countries' statistics, where marriage at a young age, rape, pay inequality, domestic abuse, FGM rates etc are much higher. In many countries I imagine rape rates are massively underreported, as many married women probably don’t understand that they should be able to say ‘no’ to their husband, and much of the sex they have would be considered marital rape in Britain.
• Britain already has, like all nations, too many men who are rapists and paedophiles, and suffers from a lax attitude to VAWG. To introduce more men from cultures that are vastly more misogynistic is like adding HIV on top of cancer – it makes the situation exponentially worse as it shifts the Overton Window, emboldens British-born men, and creates issues with authorities being afraid of being called ‘racist’.

IMO, only women and children who are accompanying them from nations that are deeply misogynistic should be allowed into the country as refugees. The men are both the problem in their home countries, and also the only solution. If they emigrate, they have no motivation to change the situation in their home countries.

They also import their beliefs into Britain, and will either treat their ‘own’ women just as poorly while here, or they will treat British women and girls poorly. Send them back, and allow the women and children to stay and assimilate into British culture, with all the freedoms it affords them. I don’t care if that splits up families – a good man should just be happy his wife and children are safe in Britain. She'll get education, and find work, and have a better life than one in Afghanistan.

I’m not usually in favour of the death penalty for most cases (I’m leery of the government having the power to execute people) but frankly, if the British government wanted to drop these men back in Afghanistan by pushing them out of a plane (without a parachute) I’d be fine with that. I’m sick to death of men (whatever their ethnicity) raping and abusing women and children, and I have less than no sympathy for them.

"people perceive their stance towards women to be worse than ours"

I'm sorry, are you genuinely trying to imply that the stance towards women in Afghanistan is not worse than Britain's, and people only perceive it to be such?

Honestly, it’s pointless trying to explain. They are in complete denial and spew the same lines over and over again….. “rapes are also committed by white men”, “there aren’t many rapes by migrants”, “they are all stupid Tommy Robinson Supporters” and “They are far right and racist” and “where are you getting your information from?” Despite there being numerous daily news reports about it! It’s as if they are robots that have been brainwashed by their puppet Master Keir Starmer.

They are in denial with their fingers in their ears saying “La la la I don’t hear you” and making excuses for all these rapes or denying they ever happened, or downplaying and dismissing it anyway by claiming it’s ok because white men also do it, which if it wasn’t so serious it would be laughable! Just let them carry on in their little bubble thinking everything is great! One day they may wake up when it happens to them!

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Base rate fallacy

Huh? The statistics are all readily available and not difficult to interpret, white British men are the main problem, not refugees

They can serve their sentences and then be deported. We need to have a hard look at who we are putting in prison who should not be there. There are far too many women who are in prison for non violent crimes who have been pushed into criminal activity through addiction.

Pp‘s point is correct.
Most sexual assaults in the UK are committed by white British men because they are the majority of men in the UK.
You need to look at the per capita numbers to determine which group is more likely to commit a certain crime.

You can’t tell them anything. Many, many people have replied to that poster and said exactly what you have just said. That same poster then comes back on here and repeats the same thing again despite people answering their previous post with logical information.
Like I said before, they are in denial, completely oblivious and have no logical argument to put across, they just pedal the same robotic lines over and over again on every thread “people who are concerned about the amount of boat migrants raping women and children are racist”, “white people commit the most crimes” in a white dominated country, “it’s ok for migrants to rape children because British born men do it anyway”. And it goes on and on like that without ever changing the record.

This, from 2017, seems quite interesting:

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/what-do-we-know-about-the-ethnicity-of-sexual-abuse-gangs

"According to the best available data, Asian men make up 75 per cent of “Type 1” group abusers, who target children and young women because they are vulnerable.
But white men make up 100 per cent of recorded “Type 2” group abusers, who target children because of a longstanding paedophilic interest.
From the information available, we know that actual number of group abusers who are Asian is around three times higher than the number of group abusers who are white."

While "Abuse by lone offenders is much more common than abuse by groups [...]CEOP’s report doesn’t include data on the ethnicity of lone child abusers, and the government doesn’t publish comparable information."

So of the statistics we have, we know that Asian men are 75% of opportunistic group sexual offenders against children and teenage girls, while paedophiles who commit group sexual offences against children are white.

So...white men only tend to commit group sexual offences against children if they're paedophiles, while Asian men will do it opportunistically, despite not having specific paedophiliac interests? That's what I'm getting from it. Although I'm not sure how they work out that the Asian men aren't paedophiles if they're sexually offending against children?

Additionally, as the government doesn't include data on lone offenders, we have no clue whether the offending profile for lone abusers is the same as for group abusers, or whether it varies.

Indeed. Iran takes in the highest proportion of asylum seeking migrants. The vast majority of people seeking asylum DO stop at the first safe country. Whether or not an individual agrees with the principle, the UK actually receives a tiny proportion of the global asylum population.

What a load of shit and complete denial! Pathetic

So if every single young male coming across on a boat immediately raped a woman on entry, that wouldn't be a problem as the "majority of perpetrators of sexual violence against women and girls would still be white British men" (around 30,000 males arrive in boats versus around 70,000 rapes in the uk per year).

Same old same old. We've even got so called rape counsellors now putting the poor sensitivies of rapists before the victims in her 'care'. Then there's the what about America 😆 🤣 what about Albania. What about the white men who rape in the UK. All predictable bollocks from the usual gaslighters. Then you don't know what gaslighting is do you, doubling down on their gaslighting. Being racist towards racists makes them weep. Fuck off love. Women protecting men so they can say well at least WE aren't racist. Sick.

Yep, couldn’t have put it better myself. They don’t seem to realise just how ridiculous and pathetic they sound. They really have shown themselves up for what they are on this thread. Can’t even answer a simple question when they bleat on about white people committing rapes here anyway and asked “well why allow more of them into the country to commit rape then?”
Tying themselves in knots trying to make up and twist stories to make it sound like the rapists are innocent and we are the evil racists lol!

They’re absolutely fucking delulu!

I wonder if it's because of the age of the victims? If I'm remembering rightly I think technically paedophilia is only if the victims are young children, and usually the perpetrators are only really interested in children and not in adults, and technically it's hebophilia if the victims are children in their teens, and the perpetrators usually are interested in adults as well. So if the Asian gangs targeted teenagers maybe they technically wouldn't be paedophiles, and maybe the white gangs targeted younger children so they would be? I could be wrong but that's my best guess. It feels odd to make the distinction but I guess they need to know about the motives.

@OtterlyAstounding I completely agree!

That could definitely be a big part of it. I'd be interested to know whether the grooming gangs targeted any pubescent or prepubescent children. I imagine they would be more difficult targets to gain access to and groom than vulnerable teenagers are.

I do know that there is a distinction between paedophiles who only target prepubescent children, and opportunistic sex offenders who will target anyone vulnerable regardless of age, but I'm not sure how one figures out the difference definitively if they're both offending against the same age group. Would it simply rely on their word?

It's interesting though, because it shows that white men only offend against children in groups if they're paedophiles, while Asian men will offend against children in groups just because...they think they're entitled to use female children and teenagers as sex objects? It's a very differing motivation, and I'm not sure which is more worrisome. Although obviously, both are heinous crimes.

I feel as though paedophilia is an aberration though - a psychological abnormality, whether nature or nurture, that's been triggered somehow. But the Asian grooming gangs are just 'normal' men following the worst aspects of their culture. It seems as though it could become far more pervasive.

It's a shame there isn't more data on lone offenders. You would think that would be essential information to figure out motivation, environmental factors etc, and to try to prevent men from ever becoming sexual abusers.

Honestly, the amount of shit that’s been spewed on this thread by sympathisers of men who come here on boats and commit crimes is unreal. They have the cheek to say we are racist and that we are ‘generalising’ a certain group of men, yet don’t realise how hypocritical they sound by generalising all those who disagree with this as being “racist” and “Tommy Robinson supporters” and “stupid”.

Not one of them has come up with anything logical to explain why they think it’s ok for boat migrants to commit crimes. The best they can come up with is “well white people commit crimes anyway”. They have done nothing but gaslight people with the racist (and more recently ‘generalising’) card and we’ve even had some twisted shite about Albanians been spewed on here to apparently give us an example of how we are “generalising”, yet they generalise us as being “racist Tommy Robinson supporters”!
Oh and then we have had the one who’s “job” is to support victims of rape but seems to be more sympathetic towards the rapists!

You couldn’t make this shit up!

You've held yourself well on this thread. Virtue signalling is more important to these people. They keep coming at your with their bullshit in the hope you will shut up. Shame for them the time for women to keep it zipped is long gone. These clowns never got the memo. They are doing men's work for them.

I imagine prisoners in this country have less of a hard time than most people outside of prison in Afghanistan.

I very much doubt they’ll be deported, though. Some human rights lawyer will argue about their right to family life, etc., blah blah - and they’ll end up costing the taxpayer a fortune in our already overcrowded prisons.

As for the fact that there are white British paedophiles/rapists, etc. - of course we all know that, we just don’t feel like adding to them from people who are supposed to be refugees from war-torn or otherwise very troubled countries.

Thank you!

What these gaslighting rapist sympathisers don’t seem to understand is that all these protests that are happening across the UK, along with all the people that speak up about the amount of rapes being committed by boat migrants, is that they are doing it not just for themselves, but for the benefit of the leftist rapist sympathisers who may one day end up being victims themselves! They are trying to protect the rights of ALL women and children in the UK.
But no, I’m sure they will be in denial about all that and still claim that white men commit all the crimes and that these rapist boat migrants are just sweet innocent little victims coming from war torn countries and hurl more abuse at those who are trying to protect them!

What we thought may have once been innocent refugees coming over, has now turned into nothing more that a business for people smugglers. They’ve even got bases in Belgium now!

I'm on another thread where I am being accused of hate speech just for mentioning Islam. Its got to the point now where women and girls are screwed all ways round. When it's other women doing the screwing, things really are fucked.

They’re just gaslighting fuckwits! That’s the only conclusion I can come to. Hate speech my arse!

You watch me get zapped off here. If it happens, keep up the good work. Funny how MN won't allow troll hunting but they allow finger happy posters to report what they don't like to hear x