AIBU to think these boys should have been incarcerated?

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BBC News - Teenage boys sentenced for raping lone girls
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clypg68e2neo

I've never started an AIBU before, but I'm genuinely really shocked. I'm just not sure how this sentence is justifiable. Their actions were premeditated and deliberate, they were carrying a knife and they filmed themselves. They're obviously a danger to women/girls, and probably to other boys too.

If anyone knows how and why this sentence might have come about, I'd be interested to hear it.

My Dad was a poor Irish peasant but considered himself superior to the "Tinkers" aka gypsies because he could read, write and do arithmetic. That's how it is in Ireland. They hate to be called ignorant.

They should be incarcerated and castrated! Nasty little bastards.

This case just reinforces all the negative stereotypes around Irish people and exactly what the Irish Government is trying to stamp out.

While the perpetrators were it seems Travellers in this case it's not behaviour that is restricted to just one community

Virtually no one equates Irish Travellers with the Irish in general. Most people just call them Travellers, anyway!

True, but the stereotype that Travellers have a general contempt for the law exists for a reason.

Yes exactly. The Irish have had negative comments for years and I was subjected to this. Which is why I don't have any time for travellers They get a bad name for the Irish generally. I've had enough of that over the years

In Italy social services are now intervening to remove children from mafia crime families to prevent them being socialised into violence

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/italy-mafia-children-program-takes-kids-from-organized-crime-families/

Agree with everything you've said

I think this whole mess is influenced by a reluctance for authorities to deal with the travelling community

it can work both ways not dealing with children because of their background so they are not getting support needed to stop them being overlooked at school and then not dealing with consequences later due to hostility

and before anyone says it I am aware this isn’t all travellers but we should not pretend that their are serious issues with a section of the travelling community and how authorities are working with them

Sky news paper review devoted quite a lot of time to the case tonight. There is going to be a review. Keir Starmer has waded in. Hopefully justice will be done.

In Scottish folk circles, travellers are feted for preserving culture*, but are also sometimes given a platform when it absolutely should not be made available.

Some years ago, a book of Scots stories for schoolchildren was published: "A Braw Brew". Much of the content was excellent.

However, one "story" was "written" by a then well-known traveller raconteur. (I recall that his daughter also did quite well out of the folk/literary scene.)

The "story" consisted of a re-hash of the old joke that ends in a punchline along the lines of "Are you not too old to believe in fairies?"

To this day, I don't understand how it made it into the book. I notice that it's not included in the online extracts.

*I was amused one time when one of the kids in my class suddenly announced "Right lauds!" and began speaking to their three cousins in the same class in what they clearly thought was impenetrable language.

It was simply the version of Scots spoken by my generation and older. They seemed genuinely perturbed when I understood and responded in Scots.

I'll add that the Betsy Whyte autobiographies beginning with "The Yellow on the Broom" are an interesting read. More recently, there are the books written by Jess Smith.