AIBU to think these boys should have been incarcerated?

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BBC News - Teenage boys sentenced for raping lone girls
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clypg68e2neo

I've never started an AIBU before, but I'm genuinely really shocked. I'm just not sure how this sentence is justifiable. Their actions were premeditated and deliberate, they were carrying a knife and they filmed themselves. They're obviously a danger to women/girls, and probably to other boys too.

If anyone knows how and why this sentence might have come about, I'd be interested to hear it.

I’ve seen a name on one report I think?

Yes, for serious crimes, sentencing generally occurs in court after someone has been convicted.

Then for the first time, I see a reason to vote Reform. 🙁

If this is the Labour govt's idea of preventing violence against women and girls, then they have failed us all.

The article linked to names Judge Nicholas Rowland

Yes, if Reform would stop this, I’d vote for them too.

I absolutely agree that sending multiple forms is how the public can demonstrate that they aren’t happy with this. I imagine as a pp said that it will be flagged.

I agree! , this is Mumsnet , it doesn’t take a genius to work out the majority of posters are women and mothers and it doesn’t take much to understand that a very large percentage will have been victims of rape and sexual assault themselves!
women want to protect other women and children from these predators and to call our outrage, immature! Shows this person has no understanding whatsoever of the pain and terror inflicted!
yes many of us want vengeance for these poor girls who yet again have been overlooked because apparently boys futures are more important .

Christ. Pretty sure I read that one of the girls was raped 3 times. Are you serious?

These boys are a danger to society, and their sentence will only give other boys the impression they can do the same and get away with it. It’s not the same as criminalising for a lesser crime like shoplifting.

The perpetrators should be sent to secure, specialist psychiatric facilities where they can receive intense therapies geared towards help them understand the severity of their crimes. Generally my belief is that children who grow up to commit this sort of grotesque crime are a reflection of their home lives & community & as such they should be removed from them and away from those influences/adults who've tolerated or failed to prevent the behaviours.

Do you think they just use their own personal opinion to sentence people?!?

Fgs, of course they do within the boundaries of guidelines. They’re human. Subject to human bias and human impulse. Not omniscient vulcans.

There’s research that found US judges sentencing was influenced by a loss of their college football team, terrorist attacks, or even higher temperatures that have lead to harsher sentences (Eren and Mocan 2018, Hayes and Saberian 2019, Rasul and McConnell 2020). More research on how parole decisions are affected by how close / far away a case is being heard from lunch. Etc.

The boys are all from the Traveller Community. The girls were just girls from the local area.

These offences were very local to where I live so have been in our local news since it happened.

The travelling community.

It’s absolutely outrageous that they weren’t sent to prison. What sort of message does that send out? I believe had it been a woman doing the sentencing it would have looked very differently.

I've also filled out the form. I am sick of women and girls being raped, beaten, abused and nothing being done about it.

I am not hysterical. I worked in the CJS for years and I am disgusted by many sentences I've seen handed out. I'm at my limit. It just isn't good enough.

I couldn’t believe the Manchester case. I often think about the poor girl this happened to and the frankly evil defence lawyer (a woman - Rachel Shenton) who argued that because she didn’t say no clearly enough it wasn’t a crime. Again the fact the boys were children seemed to be given undue weight. They knew exactly what they were doing and it wasn’t legal in any civilised society.

I’m afraid I agree we shouldn’t criminalise children

I find it quite difficult to classify a male with the sexual and physical maturity to overwhelm and rape, as a "child".

Form submitted.

I cannot believe what I read , no wonder VAWG is so prolific if they just get told off for what is quite frankly psychopathic behaviour

You don’t think it sends a message?

The worry is that sentencing like this is more about reducing the costs associated with incarceration than it is about protecting society from extremely violent individuals.

“just” girls. Your comment says it all.

Its really shocking, these attacks were well planned and repeated so a pattern of behaviour has started and highly unlikely to have been the only assaults they have committed

I have absolutely no doubt if these boys had raped boys we would be looking at a very different outcome

we know rehabilitation is poor in the uk but if in custody their behaviour would be tightly monitored, constant assessments on their behaviour and they would be more likely to attend psychological therapy that would be put in place and yes their freedom taken away for some time

now all they will have to do is meet someone from their team likely once a week, be instructed to attend xyz therapies and report what they are up to to a case worker it’s pitiful

i shall sign link that’s been attached

Thank you so much for this. I wasn't aware that members of the public could do this. I have also submitted a request for a review under the Unduly Lenient Sentence scheme.

The courts had better hope it has an effect.

The “we shouldn’t criminalise children” brigade is why these things continue to happen.
If a boy is physically capable of rape, he’s not a child!