To think some older women having tax payers funded ivf are hypocrites?

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There seems to be a substantial group of people who are ok with calling teen mums a waste of their tax money but then leave child bearing too late and expect the tax payers to foot the bill for their multiple ivf cycles which costs the tax payer up to 100 million a year.

Hypocrites!!!

People were shocked that I was having a child " so young" whereas for peak physical outcomes ( least complications, healthy birth weight, easiest birth, easy recovery)I was actually later than ideal.

Not saying it’s average now but 28 is not unusual at all. It may be slightly below average but there is nothing remarkable about having a child in your late 20s. I’m late 30s .

You can’t get ivf on the NHS if you are older. I spent thousands upon thousands on private treatment (which failed and I then conceived naturally at 44).

How old are you? I was talking about recent graduates who are really struggling to find even minimum wage work. There are loads of threads on Reddit about this if you want to look them up and hear it straight from the horses mouth.

I only brought this up because it’s socially acceptable to not have a job in your late teens because you’re studying at university funded by a government loan that you don’t have to pay back. But it’s a disgrace to have a child.

Hey thanks for acknowledging this is a thing not sure why so many are so keen to deny it when there’s plenty of threads even on this site where you can see a lot of people saying no one in their social circle would even consider kids before 30.

Doesn't matter how old I am. You haven't experienced going to university at any age or any time period so you can't speak for them. Right?

Or, because I've read things on Reddit or MN, am I now allowed to speak to things outside of my own experiences?

You seem to make the rules on who can speak when, but there's no consistency so I'm having trouble understanding who's allowed to say what.

It’s outrageous to compare me saying a lot of graduates are struggling to find work and some regret even going to university (which you can find tons of Reddit threads about) and saying a lot of people have abortions because they think their 20s is too young (another thing that you can see people talking about on mumsnet) to you trying to tell me barely anyone judges teen mums.
Because if you don’t believe me you can probably find millions of stories from teen mums saying how loads of people judged them.

I’m talking about actual things that happen and you are trying to tell me that something I personally know happens dosent happen. There’s a difference there

Yeah you can go and read stories about how teen mums have been judged online like how I’ve found tons of threads about unemployed graduates. I guarantee you’ll find a lot more saying they were treated like shit then saying they weren’t (exceptions being 18/19 year olds who look older maybe)

Respectfully, maybe if you'd gone to university, you'd have learned the difference between anecdote and stuff you read on Reddit, and statistics. And you wouldn't be starting threads on the internet making gross generalisations and complaining about people getting IVF because someone wasn't nice to you when you had a baby at 16.

Except There are statistics proving graduate unemployment is rising and it’s been in the news a lot, AI is taking a lot of jobs that people spent years studying for. This is a fact.
But congratulations on your snarky comment, very clever

And then I can tell people that everything I say is true?

Get in!

Yeah sure after you’ve read up some experiences of how teen mums are judged instead of just assuming it doesn't happen because no one in your philosophical discussion group has debated it yet

Have you read any first hand accounts of infertility and the horrors of IVF before you came here to slag off the women needing it?

But only on Reddit, right? No actual real life conversations? Or honest conversations with my friends who have been in the actual situation? Got it.

I'm going to be posting rage bait in no time. You're such a good teacher.

So what -- drop out at 15 and have a baby?

And there's a difference between recent graduates struggling to find employment and women in their late thirties who graduated 15 years ago and are over a decade deep into successful careers! These are the group you have a problem with so why do you keep banging on about unemployed young graduates? The two groups have nothing to do with eachother!

if you really want to know you can scroll up and see what started that discussion. Someone said something about a lifetime of benefits and I said I’ve been working since I was 20. No different to many people who are at university studying on their government loan at that age. That many don’t pay back.
Then someone kept accusing me of being “bitter” I didn’t go to university myself. Trust me it’s not me banging on about it.

But there's a difference between people being bewildered about a couple in their 20s having a baby and moaning about teen mums being a drain on society.

It's a false equivalence to compare an undergraduate with someone claiming benefits. Although they're not in work (although everyone I knew in uni also had part time jobs and I had a full time job while I did my postgrad) and I'm still paying back the loans so it's very difference to benefits.

I was also a parent in of 3 my 20s and although we had plenty of "was it an accident" foot in mouth moments, we both worked, no one ever mentioned any kind of draining society or not pulling our weight in the grander scheme of things. I know it's very different to teen pregnancy.

Not sure what exactly you are bitter about but there is bitterness emanating from all your posts . That much is certain.

Yes I saw that. And it did look like you were bitter you didn't get to go to uni yourself. Your cohort went to university 15 years ago and had successful careers and have been paying their loans back plus interest for over a decade. They were the people you were slagging off with that comment about loving on a government loan whilst you were living on benefits and claiming they never paid it back.

When this was pointed out to you you went off on a tangent about recent graduates who are struggling to find employment and gleefully chirped on about how they never amounted to anything so they've wasted their time and government money. You've been told this group of people are irrelevant to the late thirties group you have a problem with and have doubled down and kept banging on about them amounting to nothing and them being on Reddit bemoaning their lives for some reason. Just accept they're irrelevant to your Vendetta and move on!

My cohort? Uni 15 years ago? Think you’re confusing me with another poster. I haven’t said how old I am but I’m not that old!!!

If I had gone to university myself I’d have only left a couple of years ago! From what I’ve seen from other uni graduates I am career wise no worse off than a lot of them

The people I have a vendetta against cross many age groups 😂

But you're not bitter? Just have vendetta's? Totally normal.

Just using that posters terminology 🤷🏼‍♀️