To think some older women having tax payers funded ivf are hypocrites?

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There seems to be a substantial group of people who are ok with calling teen mums a waste of their tax money but then leave child bearing too late and expect the tax payers to foot the bill for their multiple ivf cycles which costs the tax payer up to 100 million a year.

Hypocrites!!!

The medical treatment is. Adopt.

They're not. But they are more likely to be raised by parents who want them and want to make them into useful members of society than people who have children for the benefits (at any age, to be clear) and aren't interested in the actual parenting process.

I hope you never need a knee or hip replacement. Because it's not medically necessary. The treatment is...wheelchair.

This is such a simplistic view . It’s not like gender affirming care that is ludicrous. Lots of the things taxes are spent on aren’t “necessary “

And that’s relevant because…

What’s an older mum, in your opinion?

Absolutely different because a joint can go septic. Pay for your IVF.

Do you know how hard it is to adopt?

do know the mental struggle of being told you can’t have children naturally just because both parents have a minor fertility issue - if one was ok we would have conceived naturally. And just to clear I could have had a major operation to fix my tiled womb which would have made it easier for us to conceive but the medial advice was IVF

So you know one person like this and you're generalising it to the whole world - plus this happened when you were 16 so years and years ago?

I think you need to get over it now OP, it just smacks of very low esteem.

I have to say I find your lack of empathy absolutely shocking and disgusting, either you are a troll or someone who is really really bitter.

Not just teen mums specifically but yes I don't agree with anyone, even IVF mums having children when they can't afford to provide for them without the state. No issue with people having IVF if they can provide for that child though.

@cocoonme also you don’t get to order people what they pay for . It’s available for free for suitable women and that’s that. Soz love

We’re allowed differing opinions.

Yes, it’s a consequence of an illness, as I said.

Doctors would inform you that your fertility was damaged or destroyed by an illness or treatment, so you would know. In the pp’s case it was very obvious.

But you are clear at least. Hopefully you apply the same strictness to yourself, don’t have statins or blood pressure drugs and just eat better and exercise.

We are and it’s fine that that’s your opinion. But the rules are rules and infertile couples can get Ivf and that’s that. You can scream “pay for your ivf” all you want but the taxpayers money is gonna be spent on it regardless of your moaning

Most areas don’t fund IVF over 40 and very few areas fund more than one cycle at any age so I just can’t see how this can be true.

Don't need to. Didn't need it. I don't only advocate for myself.

You are clearly being obtuse or you struggle to read.

The NHS is on its arse. I had a hideous experience about which I still have nightmares. Because there is no money and the system is inefficient.

Of course you will go off on one about all the other procedures that are less important - crack on.

And being infertile isn’t an illness. If you insist on having a child that’s fine but why use further NHS funds for it?

I’m sorry you had a terrible experiences. I’m having my own terrible experience now and it’s not the first. But I don’t begrudge others having procedures they need and I don’t, because harming others doesnt automatically help me.

Actually the World Health Organisation does class infertility as a disease.

Who’s having children just for the benefits? Because I’ve never met anyone who at least admits this. Just like there’s people who claim every teen mum they know only got pregnant for a free house. Just more bullshit. Then these people complain it’s hurtful to say biological facts about fertility falling off a cliff in your 30s but have no qualms saying stereotypes about teen mums

Realistically we are not going to need as many people as technology is taking a lot of jobs. Even in a setting as unsophisticated as the supermarket, we now have one roving assistant for at least half a dozen - if not more - self service check-outs.

I personally think there just needs to be thinking about having children full stop - but generally the ivf parents have thought pretty long and hard.

I can’t believe all the women here who probably are mothers themselves are so lacking in empathy towards people who are infertile. I don’t live in the uk and I had my first child age 32 . Got pregnant first try and was delighted . I remember here in Ireland it was announced funding for a round of ivf for infertile couples . I remember seeing and thinking that’s brilliant news and holding my baby and thinking gosh I’m so so lucky I could become a mother without going through that . Little did I know I’d be infertile by 34. Ended up paying for my own ivf for my second at 38 which I’ve no issue with as I already had a child and I was lucky it did work. I cannot believe anyone who is a mother would begrudge a woman who is infertile and longing for a child of a chance to become a mother. It’s disgusting .

The OP does sound utterly ghastly