Afghanistan humanitarian crisis

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BBC news 3 out of 4 struggle to find food

A growing number of billionaires and yet shocking food famine around the world.

Shocking decisions taken to sell children.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0q25dwj807o

Is it normal, the report framed it as an extreme response to severe poverty?

@Foodgloriousfoodie you seem to be living in some kind of imagined fantasy of a glorious Islamic past. Look at the situation today. And btw my great grandmother was no one’s property.

Yes, exactly. These things happened far too much in the past in the western world, but they weren't normalised through the entirety of society in the same way.

That's horrific and that's an understatement
All in the name of religion.
Religion still causing mayhem in this day and age.

I’m astounded

I’m very very glad I wasn’t one of those working classes over 100 years ago

women have not been the property of men for some considerable time in England - chattel slavery has not been a thing since at least the late Anglo Saxon period.

if you are referring to the legal status of married women as being subsumed into the legal person of their husband (known as femme convert)

a) that is very different from slavery in that in slavery slaves can be bought and sold to any person

b) the status stopped immediately upon dissolution of the marriage either through death or annulment or divorce

c) the actual practice of this was significantly variable across time and place within England and there are many many instances of married women acting as femme sole (in their own right).

Conpare this to the situation under traditional Islamic rules where it was not permitted to enslave Muslims but slavery was absolutely fine and indeed only abolished in most Muslim countries due to western pressure.

under the Koran men are permitted to have sexual relations with any female slave they own “a doctrine known as “what their right hand possesses”. They are not permitted to prostitute out their female slaves to other men but can sell them to whoever they want.

https://www.brandeis.edu/projects/fse/muslim/slavery.html

one of the reasons there was a coalition against Islamic state is that they attempted to go back to the fundamentals of Islam which mean that the taking of sex slaves is A ok as long as the slave is not already a Muslim,

Islamic state took many women and children of the Yazidi faith and many thousands of them were used as sex slaves. For example look at this bbc article (from a while ago).

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-30573385

the Koran is very very clear that this is ok.

Completely different to selling your daughter to people yourself knowing she will be raped.

No, it wasn’t normal, it was a minority of people. The whataboutary won’t ever normalise the use of child brides.

Is this confined to extreme islamists or other faiths?

She would have been her husbands if in this country and be able to be legally raped by him until 1990 I believe

no imagined fantasy - I’m trying to counteract posters view of the Middle East being some backward backwater 500 years behind us

I asked the question because a poster suggested selling children was normal in Afghanistan, the report suggested it was to current extreme poverty.

So your saying those institutions that robbed these children were fairer..

Explain the 90% domestic violence stat then, if they're all such good men in an impossible situation.

And yes, I understand that their mindset and culture is drenched in misogyny.

Frankly, I would rather send my daughter away in the hopes that she might escape, even with a journey that was a horrific ordeal, than knowing that if she stayed she would certainly suffer a horrific ordeal for the rest of her life, being owned, and raped on a regular basis by her husband, in a country that saw her as less worthy of rights than a camel.

peiple were not property.

there were at that point multiple missions in many places where women and children who were (don’t really know how to phrase this) selling sex could go to try to get out of the industry.

the prostitires were not the PROPERTY of anyone else and if they left there was not a legal process to return them to their owner.

compare the romans or slavery in America or Islamic slavery where runaway slaves were hunted down and returned to their owner.

The daughter would die if he didn’t nothing

I don’t think people
in the west can begin to imagine - how could we possibly

and btw the patriarchy in the west continues because women collude with it - perhaps women shouldn’t accept it and just “rise up”like the men In Afghanistan should (as a poster suggested) or the women of Afghanistan if it’s that easy

it’s not as easy as you think

How do you see the situation in Afghanistan now?

Anyway, there are ways that people can donate if they wish to, kindly provided by some posters. Thank you.

I've realised its not a subject of interest to many, so will leave it there.

No, it was developed long before Islam.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_algebra

It been well documented that the females who have made it to the crossing are raped and or murdered. I vaguely remember in Greece, the females were tossed overboard left to die.

As a totalitarian terrorist regime with a humanitarian crisis of proportions we can’t begin to imagine

Death is not always the worst option. A terrible statement to have to make, but a true one.

I never said it was easy. I said I have the utmost contempt for men in a country rife with domestic violence, misogyny, and abject dehumanisation. I disdain the men who buy little girls, who sell little girls, and who keep impregnating their wives, knowing the situation their children will face. I have no sympathy for men who flee, and abandon their female family members.

The solution? God knows. But that doesn't mean I will excuse any of those men for the things they do - or don't do.

Tbh I'm disgusted to see women who should know better, defending these men. It's such cultural relativism. Not selling your tiny daughter to be raped should be an absolute.

I’m sick of excusing child rape because some people want to feel they are being even handed, kind and understanding about it. I’m an ethnic minority, this ridiculous attitude harms girls and women, the “oh we weren’t any better” whilst neglecting the fact that you would go mental if your husband suggested selling your own daughter because things are a bit tight. But nooooo we must indulge in navel gazing and be understanding when it happens to little brown girls, the first rape won’t hurt them at allll, it’ll be fine! Yes ofcourse my Sophia should be able to choose a man when she’s 25 but little Fatima can be sold off as a five year old, it’s their culture and ofcourse a hundred years ago someone did something super bad in the UK so we should not judge too harshly.

How do you think Afghan women perceive this? They know exactly what is going to happen to their daughters. Who amongst you would tolerate it if some five year old in your family needed an operation and your DH went “oh yeah sure we’ll pay for it but we are going to be wanting to collect her in a few years for our son”. You’d be sickened is a white man did that.

The racism of low expectations.

Yes it is normal.

the Taliban have recently “clarified” the law in Afghanistan and slavery is now explicitly legal.

see

https://ohrh.law.ox.ac.uk/the-talibans-new-criminal-procedure-code-for-courts-fundamental-rights-violations-are-now-legal-in-afghanistan/

for example of comment on this.

in particular it goes further than the Koran which states that people who are Muslims are not permitted to be enslaved.

the Afghanistan code specifically considers only Hanafi Muslims to be Muslims and other types to be “heretics” and therefore only hanafi Muslims cannot be enslaved.

(this is somewhat similar to saying only Church of England members are Christians and catholics/orthodox are not).

Jesus Christ. That's beyond monstrous.

Really, it makes me think that the only way this situation will be solved is when all the women and girls in Afghanistan die of starvation, in childbirth, and of preventable illnesses, and the men are left with no one to abuse.