Afghanistan humanitarian crisis

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BBC news 3 out of 4 struggle to find food

A growing number of billionaires and yet shocking food famine around the world.

Shocking decisions taken to sell children.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0q25dwj807o

All this makes me think that any Afghan men who want to come into our country, for whatever reason, should be turned right around and sent straight back home.

Your comparison is totally set against the backdrop of how we live and our values and your language exposes that - you aren’t considering the cultural differences - just criticising without beginning to think about that countries culture and how they live and why that may be - from both sides - it’s complex and you are excluding the experiences of the people who are making those tough decisions

As a pp said, I think I would rather my entire family and I all died than to do that - as some families, knowing the Nazis would take them away to the camps, killed their children and themselves. There are some things that are not worth doing in order to survive.

I'm not really interested in your apologia for these men.

I agree. I would take children with me rather than that horror.

I don’t know how they’ll get out of it, Iran too. It’s enough to fear ever replicating similar elsewhere.

There was that case of the Iraqi man who after watching his wife and child die in a boat, proceeded to immediately rape and strangle to death a teenage girl who was travelling with her mother. No-one helped them, there were other men on that boat and no-one helped them.

My heart hurts, as a mother of a daughter I despair at how little other women value the lives of girls. I get this man may have been in a bind, but the reality if it is not an abnormal practice there, it is not unusual or roundly condemned because the value of females is so low that no-one even cares that a child survives her wedding night.

I read recently read that where a girl has been subject to FGM and has been sewn up a husband will sometimes cut her open himself with either a knife or his penis. I fucking despair and the brutality visited on women and children.

Have to step away from this, it’s just so awful.

Here is actual footage of a "wedding ceremony" between an elderly man and a shrouded six-year-old girl. After the ceremony, he carries the struggling girl out of the house.

https://x.com/WDIAfghanistan1/status/2056134166949904637

Men like children, other men are prepared to sell children. No-one should ever criticise a brown man for liking or selling children. Thats it basically.

As a brown woman I don’t give a shit about the culture. Most brown women I know would also agree that it is wrong. Unequivocally wrong, it was wrong a hundred years ago and it’s wrong today.

Not sure what you mean by other faiths.

Christianity is a different faith and obviously doesn’t consider the Koran a holy book.

if you are talking about different varieties of Islam of which there are many then the Koran is very very clear on this yes. So the acceptance of slavery is widespread in most Muslim societies.

since England got evangelical about stopping slavery (from about the 1830s) the English followed slowly by other European nations have put significant pressure on other countries (including America) to stop slavery.

For example in turkey which has traditionally been a slave market for hundreds to years the Ottoman Empire introduced various reforms and bans from 1830 under British pressure but slavery was finally outlawed only when the empire fell and modern turkey was established as a state by Ataturk,

see eg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_Turkey

I can’t watch this but just reading it is enough. No words

Agree. Would the outrage from that poster exist if these children were white? Why are brown people not capable of understanding paedophilia is wrong in their view? Of course they know it’s fucking wrong, they just don’t care

It is beyond abhorrent. I'm amazed that any woman could spare even a shred of sympathy for the men of Afghanistan, given what we know of the situation there. They are nearly all entirely complicit in the suffering of women and children.

Yep the horrors that have been meted out to women on those boats and posters still want them to be given asylum.

These men are vile psychopaths for fucks sake!

Frankly, the UK has enough problems with misogyny and sexual violence already being pervasive in society, without introducing more men who see women as a lesser form of life, undeserving of rights and protections.

Agree. But hey we already have sex offenders and misogynists so what’s a few more?

Ugh yes, off-topic, but that argument always annoys me so much. It's like saying, "Well, you already have cervical cancer, so what's wrong with a little pancreatic cancer on top of it?" You should be trying to get rid of the existing misogyny, not introducing even more, and more extreme misogyny.

It’s so enraging when they don’t see this and instead try to turn it into a completely illogical discussion about racism.

Men from more misogynistic countries are even more likely to be misogynists.

Because if not who the fuck are the men oppressing these women and children?

Because violent warped societies breeds more violence no one is defending men being violent or rapists

until the people are freed from taliban and all other extreme religious groups changes can happen but that won’t happen over night as people will need to rebuild their lives be educated and to feel safe it will take generations not a few years

that’s what you think you will do but when it’s about survival and not about choices about what is the better life survival tends to take over

and again you would not be thinking that way lf all you have known is violence and fear your mindset would be very different

I'm not sure what your point is? Yes, if I was raised in a culture steeped in misogyny and violence, I too might view it as normal. But I wasn't. And so I have the ability to judge that behaviour as abhorrent and immoral.

I'm disinterested in cultural relativism.

As I said, I don't know what the solution is. I fear there isn't one, and the suffering will continue as long as there are women and girls in the country to abuse.

THEY WERE FREED!!!!

Has the whole of the last 25 years escaped you?!?!

For anyone who has been living under a rock, the Taliban were defeated by NATO forces in 2001!!!! NATO forces then occupied Afghanistan and spent 20 YEARS teaching them to be a civilised country and training/equipping their army to fight extremism. Once the troops left it took LESS THAN A WEEK for the Taliban to regain power because the men RAN LIKE COWARDS!!

Sorry to be Trump-esque in my delivery but 457 British troops died delivering the above so the fact it isn’t even noted among some of you is a disgrace!

If I was unable to earn because of the circumstances of where I lived, unable to feed my wife and children, having to sell your daughters in a country where women, for one example, are killed for being raped, then I’ll tell you what I wouldn’t be doing - summoning the energy they say they haven’t got, to have sex with the wife they claim to love and create more children they can’t sustain the life of.

Amazing that some people will still come on here with their cultural relativism drawing a parallel between the status of British women in the 19th century and the fate of Afghan women now. There is something really pernicious about the Afghan ( and not solely Afghan) brand of Islam but white liberals are too scared to say so.

No it didn’t escape me

life improved greatly especially for girls and women but things don’t change overnight the corruption, the funding of the Taliban from other countries and how prepared they were, underestimated how powerful and the influence of religious leaders and left an unprepared army

and I’m not sure what it was all for, good intentions from the west, lost lives and more suffering