Afghanistan humanitarian crisis

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BBC news 3 out of 4 struggle to find food

A growing number of billionaires and yet shocking food famine around the world.

Shocking decisions taken to sell children.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0q25dwj807o

They literally just started repealing guardianship laws in Saudi. In iraq, lebanon and iran to mention just a few the minimum age for a girl to get married if they are shia is 9. 100 years ago women everywhere had minimal rights. Today in much of the world actual children are being legally married off. Acting like the west is comparable here is a nonsense. Saying women had minimal rights a hundred hundred years ago doesn’t excuse child marriage today,

Tomorrow, i could read a news article about Afghanistan saying that they’ve dug an enormous hole and buried every last female in it.
I’m that desensitised to their depravity.

It's awful. Cultural, religious, whatever the reason its terrible.

The women in Afghanistan are not allowed an education, not allowed to train, nor allowed to be seen in public. If a passing man hears a woman’s voice inside her own home she can be killed.

How easy do you think it is for them to travel across their own country and then the world by working? You need skills to work. They have none beyond how to hide.

FWIW I do know several Indian women who work as nurses here and send money back to their children left with grandparents in India. It seems to be a common Asian tradition. Not sure that it’s a great solution either. What’s the point of having children you never get to see?

No, I didn't watch this specific report, just read the article, but I have read extensively on the horrors in Afghanistan - I'm not ignorant of the situation there.

There are many men who are selling their children, while the child's mother is alive. My point is that mothers have no voice, they have no say, they have no rights - they are considered less than livestock. We don't hear from the women because they are so thoroughly oppressed they cannot even speak on the horrors that they experience.

This father, this man, has been centred - his suffering has been centred. The fact that he's sold his daughter off to be raped from the age of 10, and then bred like cattle from the point that she's fertile, to probably die in childbirth or see her own children starve and die, is not something I have any sympathy for him over.

So what??

Not seeing things how they are is what won’t help

@Foodgloriousfoodie women in this country have had far more freedom than Afghan women have today, for at least a century. My great grandmother went abroad to work as a governess and chose her own husband. Yes Arab civilisation had a golden age in science and the arts quite a few centuries ago, but when it comes to women’s freedom this is seriously restricted over much of the Arab/ Islamic world.

You need to watch it

A century is nothing

your grandmother is not the rule for most I’m afraid - choosing your husband doesn’t mean you are not their property - your grandmother couldn’t transcend that

they were world leaders - 9th century btw not a few centuries ago

What do you mean? How are things there?

I understand all that. So the men should be helping them escape, not abandoning them. As pp have said, 90% of Afghan women experience domestic violence. So where are the good men? Do we really think they care about their female family members as equal human beings? Because I don't.

I honestly don’t think british people well selling their 5yr olds into marriage a hundred years ago.

Why? There is nothing we can do about it. The fathers and brothers have half a chance to change this from inside. Mass immigration will not change the reality, outsiders cannot change their lives. It’s disturbing. May all the dictators burn in hell or on earth.

No more so than the empires of Asia. We’re a little tired of being colonised, exploited and abused under these endless complaints. Few have been as generous to other countries since imperialism than the people of Western Europe. The working people here work for what they get, and they were here doing exactly that before both mass migration and imperialism.

I don't need to watch misogynistic men wailing about selling their daughters as sex slaves. I'm disgusted at the situation and at every single man in that country. I don't have to watch it to be furious on behalf of those little girls, who will never know a life where they are treated as people with rights and dignity, but instead are less protected from violence than bloody camels.

children have died due to sexual trauma after these “marriages”. Anyone remember the 8yr old in Yemen who died after her wedding due to tearing and internal bleeding. How many times has that happened and we don’t hear about it because you are in a society where people have so little regard for children, girls and women no-one cares, just buy another wife.

The "Maiden Tribute" Scandal (1885): Investigative journalist W.T. Stead exposed a thriving market in London where parents living in extreme poverty would sell their underage daughters to brothels for a few pounds. This led to the age of consent being raised from 13 to 16.

It happened.

Molly McCarthy Tipperary, gave birth from 1921 to 1940 before her murder, single mother to 6 children. 6 children for different fathers, married men from the town? Imagine Moll living in Afghanistan. No man owned her. Women could have lived a single life, they didn’t as they were judged by mostly other women. They weren’t owned.

Those men are operating within the logical outcome of a misogynistic system which they do nothing to try and change. Others have tried and failed. Over to you, Taliban.

Baby Farming: In the late Victorian era, "baby farmers" accepted infants for lump-sum or periodic payments. While framed as care or adoption, it often functioned as a commercial transaction where the child's welfare was neglected, sometimes leading to death.

Yes the difference is it was a scandal because wider society knew it was wrong. It is not that these things don’t happen, it’s societies response to it that tells you what that society is. These cases of men selling their little girls is not causing a scandal in afghan society is it?

You are not understanding of their mindset and culture

it would be inconceivable for the majority that they would ever consider a woman travelling to another country alone
its not just based on misogynist views. They only know life where it is dangerous and violent especially for women they send young men away because it’s safer for them to travel and they are more likely to manage the very harsh travelling to another country plus they are likely to make more money to send home it’s not so they can go on a jolly for a few years

if you had to send a child away would you feel a son of 18 is safer travelling in groups of men or a daughter of 18

what do you think you could do in their situation hold meetings in the local cafe to arrange a group of young women to travel and organise a group of young men to gather weapons and fight or hold a march and try and negotiate

sending money home enables their families to buy food and medicine and the very basics and the pressure on them to do so is immense of the most powerful governments on the world are unable to change things how are those that are refugees able to

Forced Adoptions: Between the 1950s and 1970s, many unmarried mothers were pressured or coerced by churches and social workers into "giving up" their babies for adoption. Some mothers have described this as their children being "sold" by institutions.

Exactly. It wasn’t normal. In Afghanistan it is normal.