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AIBU to feel hopeful that the British public could push the government to act on the climate emergency and avoid the point of no return?

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beeble347 · 17/05/2026 14:59

Donning my hard hat, but here goes. I'm an ordinary mum, since having my DS I've been very concerned about the stark statistics on the climate emergency and what it means for my family's safety. I have no background in science, but have done my best to educate myself on this topic and try to note down statistics exactly as reported.

I recently went to a screening of the People's Emergency Briefing, a 45 minute film featuring Chris Packham, Jennifer Saunders and Deborah Meaden, as well as ordinary members of the public. It showed talks by a number of professors (from Oxford University, UCL, Newcastle and so on) and experts in their field. It was hard-hitting but I actually felt hopeful at the end and motivated to lobby my MP and county councillors, some of whom attended the same screening and took part in the discussion afterwards. Some have already replied to me with encouraging emails about their support for the issue, action they have taken to reduce our local emissions.

Experts are warning that current trajectories in our use of fossil fuels risk warming the planet by 3-4 degrees C by the end of this century. Nobody wants to hear this, but the UK would become uninhabitable. The temperature and weather changes that would result in the UK would mean we couldn't grow food in our soil.

Even keeping planetary warming to 2 degrees C would require a yearly reduction in emissions of 13%. The world is expected to cross the threshold of 1.5C global warming in the next 3-5 years. The UK has reduced its actual emissions (including international aviation and shipping, and imports and exports) by about 20% since 1990, or an average of 0.6% each year.

I really feel it's the public's right to be informed about the urgency of the situation and how tangible and possible the solutions are, if only the government realises how much support there is for these changes. Thinking about the climate emergency felt so hopeless before, but I actually feel a sense of possibility now.

I know not everyone will agree with me or want to discuss this, but I wanted to share some facts on the topic. I also think so many, if not all, of the major issues concerning voters today are fundamental linked to the climate emergency. As someone said in this film, "the physics doesn't care about politics". I think we all have a lot more in common than we realise. I thought we had more time to delay taking action, but it really is a national emergency. But the research has already been done effectively, the solutions are right there and they're not beyond our reach.

Voters:
81.5% of the British public said they were deeply concerned about climate impacts in 2026.

National security (expert - Lt General Richard Nugee): this was one I found most shocking

  • climate change meaning farmers can no longer earn a living, means they are more likely to be recruited by "non state actors" as the Lt Gen says happened in Afghanistan and Iraq with ISIS
  • the melting Arctic ice is a new potential for conflict. Apparently Russia is declaring it an "internal sea" whereas the UK is not alone in treating the Arctic as international waters. So a risk of conflict over access, resources and shipping routes.
  • then there's the obvious impact on migration as places in the global south are hit harder and earlier by extreme weather events

Housing:
Up to 1 in 4 properties in the UK will be at risk of flooding by 2050.
Houses are continuing to be built today that won't withstand the more extreme weather (including heat, think of the 40 degrees reached in summer of 2022) that we will continue to experience

Cost of living:
Continued nature depletion in the next decade could significantly impact GDP, a decline of up to 12%. The 2008 financial crisis caused a decline in UK GDP of 6.3%.

The fossil fuels system wastes about 2/3 of its potential energy when it's used. The example given was if you put £18 of petrol in your car, you get £6 worth of energy from it to actually move its wheels.

Food security:
With the closure of the Strait of Hormuz and the impact on international shipping and fertiliser prices, food prices are projected to increase by 50% by November. We need to be supporting British agriculture and making best use of the land we have available. Secondly, we have to support farmers in mitigating flooding and extreme heat and frosts.

Cost of Net Zero:

  • £4 billion a year, paid back by 2041, represents 0.2% of GDP
  • saves $12 trillion compared to staying on fossil fuels
  • inflation would have been 7% lower if we had decarbonised the energy sector
  • the total estimated cost of the UK transition to Net Zero is now 73% cheaper than thought (5 years ago)
  • In the last decade, the cost of offshore wind energy production has dropped 50%. The cost of solar has dropped by 70%.

Points of Hope:

  • electric vehicles were expected to have 20% of the market share by 2030. They have already reached that benchmark and are projected to have 40% market share by 2030.
  • the UK has one fifth of the world's offshore wind capacity

This isn't everything but I wanted to start the conversation. I've joined a local branch of a national organisation pushing for action on the climate emergency. I've written to my MP and local county councillors, one of whom told me to set a weekly reminder and email my local representatives - she said parties at the moment don't know what they stand for and pressure from the public IS effective. I'm growing my own vegetables, joined my local nature group and hoping to start a seed swap.

Sorry for the length of this and if I've posted in the wrong place. I felt really hopeless and alone in the face of the climate emergency but I can see the momentum that's gathering and hope that this may reach someone who wasn't aware of some of the facts, who does want change and who gets some inspiration for how to make that change happen.

OP posts:
randomchap · 19/05/2026 11:22

OneTealShaker · 17/05/2026 21:46

Did the distinguished guests fly in on private jets. The normally do, to these nonsense self indulgent talking shops.

Anyway, in other news, the UK makes up less than 1% of global emissions.

Let’s suppose there is a climate emergency, and not just climate change. What difference can the UK make? Oh yes, that’s right, this country must lead by example on how to be poor and hysterical.

Influence. Yeah because the world is really influenced by a tiny backwater which, when required to dispatch a warship to play its part in global conflict, can’t find one. And when they do find one, it takes weeks to get it ready and dispatch it.

We make up 1% of the pollution as we've outsourced manufacturing to China, India, etc

The pollution may be coming from them but the end product comes to us. Look at the stuff in your home. How much is actually manufactured here

This 1% pollution from the UK fact is a complete and total red herring. It's immaterial in a global economy where manufacturing is outsourced.

randomchap · 19/05/2026 11:24

northernspanishlass · 19/05/2026 09:13

Agreed lets sort out immigration first

Climate change is one of the drivers of immigration...

eurochick · 19/05/2026 11:30

I agree OP. I was banging my head against my desk when the masses were shouting for the North Sea oil and gas fields to be opened up when the Hormuz issue arose. We wouldn’t be in this mess if we had invested in green energy twenty years ago.

Fossil fuels bought by countries including Western Europe are also funding Putin’s war against Ukraine. How many conflicts have been fought over “black gold”?

It is all so frustrating. People are chuntering about “ugly” wind turbines whilst putting money in the pockets of fossil fuel dictators and destroying the planet for our children.

EmeraldRoulette · 19/05/2026 11:44

beeble347 · 17/05/2026 20:17

I do think it's astonishing that these facts aren't being given a bigger profile in the news. People are just not informed!

You forget that people my age have been informed since we were teenagers

There was always "in 10 years time X building will be underwater". And it never happened.

I was a teenager 37 years ago.

Probably people who are older than me have been scaremongered at for much longer

realistically, you need to get rid of your mobile phone as does everybody else

People need to go back to a pre-industrial lifestyle if they want to address this - and then you'd have no means of measuring all of this anyway!

The population needs to reduce by about 90%.

That's before we even get into what a tiny drop Britain is in all of this

Best advice is not to worry about it but ... if you're determined, I can't help

I know Triggernometry have recently interviewed a Climate activist who stopped panicking. You could watch that, but you're probably not in the right headspace yet.

RingoJuice · 19/05/2026 11:58

randomchap · 19/05/2026 11:24

Climate change is one of the drivers of immigration...

It isn’t. Poverty and perceived abundance of the West is the driver. African farmland is still very productive if given the right inputs. If anything it is underutilized.

RingoJuice · 19/05/2026 12:03

eurochick · 19/05/2026 11:30

I agree OP. I was banging my head against my desk when the masses were shouting for the North Sea oil and gas fields to be opened up when the Hormuz issue arose. We wouldn’t be in this mess if we had invested in green energy twenty years ago.

Fossil fuels bought by countries including Western Europe are also funding Putin’s war against Ukraine. How many conflicts have been fought over “black gold”?

It is all so frustrating. People are chuntering about “ugly” wind turbines whilst putting money in the pockets of fossil fuel dictators and destroying the planet for our children.

You could have opened up gas fields and continued fracking years ago but chose not to. So from my POV you are impoverishing yourselves for no real gain since renewables cannot replace fossil fuels.

It was actually incredibly disappointing when the Tories shelved plans to expand nuclear (forget what excuse they used, but at the time it seemed pathetic and would screw you guys down the line).ffs imagine how much lower your utilities bill would be if they had just pushed that through.

But I almost never see greens rally for nuclear energy. It is kind of refreshing when they do, I’ll have to say, but it’s rare enough

chubley · 19/05/2026 12:29

Money is king, that’s the main problem. To the capitalists it comes above everything else. Energy is being politicised but should not be a right/left-wing issue. It’s concerning when years of progress is undone by a populist government but equally bad that eg Miliband is being so obstructive over oil and gas. A diverse portfolio of energy supply is needed precisely due to events like the Iran war.

A few observations and musings:

Why are Western European countries shafting the farmers and removing land from food production? It’s good to plant trees on some of the land, eg in strips to break up arable fields and help retain water in the soil, along with restoring hedgerows.

More solar panels should be installed on rooftops etc; France for example has required large car parks to be covered with them, and this benefits them with shade.

Years ago Western countries started moving factories to China to take advantage of cheaper labour and didn’t care about the increase in oil consumption to ship the goods across the world. Can’t blame the Chinese for industrialising and opening their own factories and developing technology to export similar goods.

A concern is lithium mining for EV batteries, what happens with old batteries? Storage of batteries and cars, considering fires spread so rapidly. The changeover from petrol and diesel to electric vehicles is a good thing but realistically needs a long lead-in period so that the EV technology and infrastructure is robust. When electricity was originally developed for the home it was taken up gradually over 50-60 years.

Data centres need a lot of cooling meaning a huge increase in demand for electricity and/or water. The best locations for these I read about are areas with cold climates, eg northern Scandinavia where the benefit is that heat output is used to heat buildings nearby, however loads are going up in the UK due to massive growth in AI and cloud computing.

Exporting recycling waste abroad- this explains it- https://geographical.co.uk/science-environment/half-of-uk-recycling-shipped-overseas-report-reveals

Half of UK recycling shipped overseas, report reveals

The UK continues to rely heavily upon overseas processing for recyclable waste, despite advances in domestic infrastructure

https://geographical.co.uk/science-environment/half-of-uk-recycling-shipped-overseas-report-reveals

Moonmelodies · 19/05/2026 12:39

randomchap · 19/05/2026 11:22

We make up 1% of the pollution as we've outsourced manufacturing to China, India, etc

The pollution may be coming from them but the end product comes to us. Look at the stuff in your home. How much is actually manufactured here

This 1% pollution from the UK fact is a complete and total red herring. It's immaterial in a global economy where manufacturing is outsourced.

China use the same quantity of concrete every three years that the USA used in the entire 20th century - not much in my home is made from Chinese concrete.

Paytovote · 19/05/2026 12:44

And to the fossil fuels.

I don’t think the elite are keeping our reserves under lock and key for the moral good of it.

It’s a finite resource. The less there is the more valuable it becomes. If we are the last ones left with gas and oil then that makes economic and financial sense.

So I personally think they are just saving it.

randomchap · 19/05/2026 13:40

Moonmelodies · 19/05/2026 12:39

China use the same quantity of concrete every three years that the USA used in the entire 20th century - not much in my home is made from Chinese concrete.

No, but plenty will be made in factories that were made with Chinese concrete.

Why are you attempting to deny that the west has outsourced manufacturing and with it the pollution that comes along with it.

Are you a climate change denier? Or just want to try to feel less guilt?

Bikenutz · 19/05/2026 14:32

KatiePricesKnickers · 17/05/2026 22:19

Depopulation is the answer.

You go first then 😁

Moonmelodies · 19/05/2026 14:56

randomchap · 19/05/2026 13:40

No, but plenty will be made in factories that were made with Chinese concrete.

Why are you attempting to deny that the west has outsourced manufacturing and with it the pollution that comes along with it.

Are you a climate change denier? Or just want to try to feel less guilt?

Aside from a few circuit boards there actually isn't that much in my house that came from China.

notnorman · 19/05/2026 15:03

EmeraldRoulette · 19/05/2026 11:44

You forget that people my age have been informed since we were teenagers

There was always "in 10 years time X building will be underwater". And it never happened.

I was a teenager 37 years ago.

Probably people who are older than me have been scaremongered at for much longer

realistically, you need to get rid of your mobile phone as does everybody else

People need to go back to a pre-industrial lifestyle if they want to address this - and then you'd have no means of measuring all of this anyway!

The population needs to reduce by about 90%.

That's before we even get into what a tiny drop Britain is in all of this

Best advice is not to worry about it but ... if you're determined, I can't help

I know Triggernometry have recently interviewed a Climate activist who stopped panicking. You could watch that, but you're probably not in the right headspace yet.

Same- I’m in my 50s. We were learning about it at school but then it was holes in ozone layer and global warming. We all thought we wouldn’t see the year 2000!

notnorman · 19/05/2026 15:04

And if you travel you see how huge the world is and how pathetically small the UK is.

randomchap · 19/05/2026 15:11

Moonmelodies · 19/05/2026 14:56

Aside from a few circuit boards there actually isn't that much in my house that came from China.

The point stands about globalisation and outsourcing pollution.

And I bet there's far more than you realise, you're just not prepared to accept it

Moonmelodies · 19/05/2026 15:37

randomchap · 19/05/2026 15:11

The point stands about globalisation and outsourcing pollution.

And I bet there's far more than you realise, you're just not prepared to accept it

Or maybe, in my house, there's less than you assume, and you're just not prepared to accept it.

Boomer55 · 19/05/2026 15:47

I just want the cheapest energy possible. However we have it.

MandingoAteMyBaby · 19/05/2026 17:20

Boomer55 · 19/05/2026 15:47

I just want the cheapest energy possible. However we have it.

Burning pet dogs and grandmas is cheap.

Is that ok for you ?

NotAChanceIn · 19/05/2026 19:23

Honestly. I think we're beyond the point of no return, and I'm going to carry on living my life regardless. I don't think the UK can have any significant impact against the big hitters and anything we do just impacts us on cost/taxes/curbing our life, when others are going to carry on anyway. No government will get that in.

Nuclear is the way to go, and that has been pushed back against for years. That said, have a look at what Rolls-Royce SMRs are doing. There is a group of very skilled nuclear engineers in the UK and recruitment is expanding rapidly. RR have a contract to build SMRs (although they will be operated nog in the UK). The CEO of RR is asking for investment from the government though, which is being supportive. Greens however want to get rid of nuclear advancement and that will wipe out those skills which is worrying.

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 19/05/2026 19:42

The hydro engine also exists but is blocked by industry, so things that could help the environment won’t happen as it would mean whole industries collapse.

ClaredeBear · 19/05/2026 19:52

FrippEnos · 17/05/2026 21:15

So what are you doing to prevent it from getting worse?

You’re not contributing much here.

FrippEnos · 19/05/2026 19:55

ClaredeBear · 19/05/2026 19:52

You’re not contributing much here.

Yet its still more of a contribution than you.

tonyhawks23 · 19/05/2026 20:00

You've inspired me to join the green party OP and will write to my MP.id like to see the emergency briefing televised like COVID was as it seems tricky for me to see it due to bedtimes!

randomchap · 19/05/2026 20:27

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 19/05/2026 19:42

The hydro engine also exists but is blocked by industry, so things that could help the environment won’t happen as it would mean whole industries collapse.

Hydro as in water? Or as in hydrogen?

OneTealShaker · 19/05/2026 20:27

randomchap · 19/05/2026 11:22

We make up 1% of the pollution as we've outsourced manufacturing to China, India, etc

The pollution may be coming from them but the end product comes to us. Look at the stuff in your home. How much is actually manufactured here

This 1% pollution from the UK fact is a complete and total red herring. It's immaterial in a global economy where manufacturing is outsourced.

The fact is that everyone in this country could live in a cave to satisfy the virtue signalling climate activists, if still wouldn’t make any difference to global emissions. Zero, zilch, nada.

Absolutely pointless.