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AIBU to feel hopeful that the British public could push the government to act on the climate emergency and avoid the point of no return?

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beeble347 · 17/05/2026 14:59

Donning my hard hat, but here goes. I'm an ordinary mum, since having my DS I've been very concerned about the stark statistics on the climate emergency and what it means for my family's safety. I have no background in science, but have done my best to educate myself on this topic and try to note down statistics exactly as reported.

I recently went to a screening of the People's Emergency Briefing, a 45 minute film featuring Chris Packham, Jennifer Saunders and Deborah Meaden, as well as ordinary members of the public. It showed talks by a number of professors (from Oxford University, UCL, Newcastle and so on) and experts in their field. It was hard-hitting but I actually felt hopeful at the end and motivated to lobby my MP and county councillors, some of whom attended the same screening and took part in the discussion afterwards. Some have already replied to me with encouraging emails about their support for the issue, action they have taken to reduce our local emissions.

Experts are warning that current trajectories in our use of fossil fuels risk warming the planet by 3-4 degrees C by the end of this century. Nobody wants to hear this, but the UK would become uninhabitable. The temperature and weather changes that would result in the UK would mean we couldn't grow food in our soil.

Even keeping planetary warming to 2 degrees C would require a yearly reduction in emissions of 13%. The world is expected to cross the threshold of 1.5C global warming in the next 3-5 years. The UK has reduced its actual emissions (including international aviation and shipping, and imports and exports) by about 20% since 1990, or an average of 0.6% each year.

I really feel it's the public's right to be informed about the urgency of the situation and how tangible and possible the solutions are, if only the government realises how much support there is for these changes. Thinking about the climate emergency felt so hopeless before, but I actually feel a sense of possibility now.

I know not everyone will agree with me or want to discuss this, but I wanted to share some facts on the topic. I also think so many, if not all, of the major issues concerning voters today are fundamental linked to the climate emergency. As someone said in this film, "the physics doesn't care about politics". I think we all have a lot more in common than we realise. I thought we had more time to delay taking action, but it really is a national emergency. But the research has already been done effectively, the solutions are right there and they're not beyond our reach.

Voters:
81.5% of the British public said they were deeply concerned about climate impacts in 2026.

National security (expert - Lt General Richard Nugee): this was one I found most shocking

  • climate change meaning farmers can no longer earn a living, means they are more likely to be recruited by "non state actors" as the Lt Gen says happened in Afghanistan and Iraq with ISIS
  • the melting Arctic ice is a new potential for conflict. Apparently Russia is declaring it an "internal sea" whereas the UK is not alone in treating the Arctic as international waters. So a risk of conflict over access, resources and shipping routes.
  • then there's the obvious impact on migration as places in the global south are hit harder and earlier by extreme weather events

Housing:
Up to 1 in 4 properties in the UK will be at risk of flooding by 2050.
Houses are continuing to be built today that won't withstand the more extreme weather (including heat, think of the 40 degrees reached in summer of 2022) that we will continue to experience

Cost of living:
Continued nature depletion in the next decade could significantly impact GDP, a decline of up to 12%. The 2008 financial crisis caused a decline in UK GDP of 6.3%.

The fossil fuels system wastes about 2/3 of its potential energy when it's used. The example given was if you put £18 of petrol in your car, you get £6 worth of energy from it to actually move its wheels.

Food security:
With the closure of the Strait of Hormuz and the impact on international shipping and fertiliser prices, food prices are projected to increase by 50% by November. We need to be supporting British agriculture and making best use of the land we have available. Secondly, we have to support farmers in mitigating flooding and extreme heat and frosts.

Cost of Net Zero:

  • £4 billion a year, paid back by 2041, represents 0.2% of GDP
  • saves $12 trillion compared to staying on fossil fuels
  • inflation would have been 7% lower if we had decarbonised the energy sector
  • the total estimated cost of the UK transition to Net Zero is now 73% cheaper than thought (5 years ago)
  • In the last decade, the cost of offshore wind energy production has dropped 50%. The cost of solar has dropped by 70%.

Points of Hope:

  • electric vehicles were expected to have 20% of the market share by 2030. They have already reached that benchmark and are projected to have 40% market share by 2030.
  • the UK has one fifth of the world's offshore wind capacity

This isn't everything but I wanted to start the conversation. I've joined a local branch of a national organisation pushing for action on the climate emergency. I've written to my MP and local county councillors, one of whom told me to set a weekly reminder and email my local representatives - she said parties at the moment don't know what they stand for and pressure from the public IS effective. I'm growing my own vegetables, joined my local nature group and hoping to start a seed swap.

Sorry for the length of this and if I've posted in the wrong place. I felt really hopeless and alone in the face of the climate emergency but I can see the momentum that's gathering and hope that this may reach someone who wasn't aware of some of the facts, who does want change and who gets some inspiration for how to make that change happen.

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Sartre · 19/05/2026 08:22

lxn889121 · 19/05/2026 07:33

Only if the question is: How do we destroy modern society...

The dream of depopulation is that you can lower the population while keeping the same ratio of young to old, which is impossible. You will end up with a smaller, older population spiral, which is not sustainable unless you put all your hopes and dreams on an automated workforce doing everything for us.

Yes and this disproportionately affects the global south who have more children on average than the west. “Depopulation” actually calls for mass sterilisation or forced contraception in those regions. Birth rates have been in decline in the west for many years. Your rhetoric mirrors the Malthusian trap. A lot of emissions counted as Global South emissions are produced in the Global South, but are tied to goods and cheap labour serving consumption in the west. Your MacBook or iPhone for example…

RingoJuice · 19/05/2026 08:22

lxn889121 · 19/05/2026 08:15

I agree with the overall point that impoverishing ourselves while others wont, is not a good idea... but I do have some things to add about China. (Not specifically to you, but to all the mentions it gets on this thread)

Why does China produce more carbon? Because they have taken over the manufacturing that we used to do...

We haven't "Lowered" our carbon emissions... we have just moved them. To China, India, Vietnam etc. Instead of a factory in the UK producing X or Y emissions, those goods are now produced and imported, so we get the benefit, while those countries record the emissions...

The UK looks amazing for reducing its emissions, manufacturing countries look terrible, despite the fact that they are manufacturing it for us... its a farce that conveniently makes us feel better about ourself.


For a real comparison, look at family emissions. Last time I did (when debating this 2 years ago) Chinese families, due to lifestyle choices, less travel, smaller homes, less cars, less pets, less meat eaten, have a carbon footprint 2x smaller than UK families.

So you end up with a very unfair situation where despite living more polluting lifestyles, and enjoying all the foreign-made goods, we get to pretend that we are doing our part for the Climate, yet it doesn't matter because that terrible China/India etc.

(Also you can add to this that those countries, especially China, are actually leading the way on real innovation/manufacturing solutions, solar panels, batteries, electronic cars etc.)

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‘You’ have not moved anything. You have been outcompeted by China. Complete foreign ownership of companies in China is actually illegal.

Having a manufacturing base is a source of wealth, not a burden you take on behalf of others. Let’s not pretend they are doing you any favors, they are making money.

When I first lived in Beijing, I’d see farmers moving crops to market by donkey cart (around the Olympics). By the time I’d left, nobody was using donkey carts. The demand for modern conveniences is only growing—and they need all energy types: renewables, nuclear, coal, oil, to power these factories.

So you may say, they have fewer cars, pets, floor space, etc, but they have much more than ever before and still want more. And why shouldn’t they have it? I want them to live their best life.

RingoJuice · 19/05/2026 08:26

Sartre · 19/05/2026 08:22

Yes and this disproportionately affects the global south who have more children on average than the west. “Depopulation” actually calls for mass sterilisation or forced contraception in those regions. Birth rates have been in decline in the west for many years. Your rhetoric mirrors the Malthusian trap. A lot of emissions counted as Global South emissions are produced in the Global South, but are tied to goods and cheap labour serving consumption in the west. Your MacBook or iPhone for example…

Not really. For one, most Global South countries do not have a manufacturing base on par with China. It would be good if they did, actually, so they could grow richer. But with few exceptions, they’ve not been able to compete with China logistically.

Also TFR is falling globally. You’d be surprised. United States has a higher TFR than Mexico and many other medium
income LATAM countries. Any demographics recorded pre-Covid is out of date.

Hoardasurass · 19/05/2026 08:27

dizzydizzydizzy · 19/05/2026 08:09

OK…. ..if all the small countries act it will make a difference because together we are the same as a big country. And yes I agree we can’t make a difference on our own.

We can’t ask/expect/hope USA, China and India to improve if we don’t.

But we have changed and improved yet China, India and the US haven't and in some ways have got worse.
Leading by example hasn't worked because we have damaged our economy and security fit no real benefit.
Also even if all small countries got to net zero it still wouldn't stop climate change as the top 6 CO² emitting countries are responsible for over 70% of CO² emissions.
Honestly I really don't think that you understand how bad the situation is and how little we and the rest of the world (other than the big 6) can do about it.

crackofdoom · 19/05/2026 08:34

croydon15 · 18/05/2026 21:35

This - UK is a tiny portion of the problem you need to stop USA, China, India etc to reduce emissions which they are not prepared to do, so here we must bear the increased cost which will make little difference. I am not saying don't reduce emissions where you can, but let's be realistic about what UK can achieve and what sacrifices you can expect people to make.

People always trot this one out.

Do you genuinely think that these kinds of conversations are not going on in other countries too?

RingoJuice · 19/05/2026 09:06

crackofdoom · 19/05/2026 08:34

People always trot this one out.

Do you genuinely think that these kinds of conversations are not going on in other countries too?

The conversation has been definitely muted in America since Trump’s election. I think a lot has been invested into building data centers so people that may have pushed green stuff before no longer do. Also the green investment craze has subsided and these funds have performed miserably lmao

Theres still space for renewables where it makes sense (ICE are not really suitable for urban environments due to the noxious fumes, I care much more about localized air pollution than carbon emissions, which I don’t see as harmful).

I think the green movement shot itself by going all in on carbon emissions and making actual conservation work a very secondary issue. People are probably also more practically concerned with local air and water pollution, increased public transportation options and walkable neighborhoods, rewilding where feasible, etc etc and not so much this global dooming thing that is really not as bad as the fear mongers make it

Moonmelodies · 19/05/2026 09:10

We're all frantically rinsing out our yoghurt pots while China have plans to build 216 more airports by 2035.

northernspanishlass · 19/05/2026 09:13

MandingoAteMyBaby · 17/05/2026 15:02

Sadly it seems that the British public, under the influence of fossil fuel & oligarch money is too obsessed with immigration to care about what really matters and poses a real risk to them.

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Agreed lets sort out immigration first

wrinklycactus · 19/05/2026 09:21

MandingoAteMyBaby · 17/05/2026 15:02

Sadly it seems that the British public, under the influence of fossil fuel & oligarch money is too obsessed with immigration to care about what really matters and poses a real risk to them.

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Yes and ironically, if or when the UK does become uninhabitable, we will be the ones migrating.

RingoJuice · 19/05/2026 10:03

wrinklycactus · 19/05/2026 09:21

Yes and ironically, if or when the UK does become uninhabitable, we will be the ones migrating.

That’s not going to happen. If you think that’s going to happen, you’ve swallowed up some misinformation somewhere

TheKittenswithMittens · 19/05/2026 10:10

Human extinction would probably be the best long term solution.

Paytovote · 19/05/2026 10:11

I don’t think we can stop it.

We are the equivalent of parasites on this earth.

There really is no point uk bankrupting itself with green legislation when we are a drop in the ocean of the problem. We can’t fix other countries.

I do think we need to evolve or die though. It is a severe problem. I just think that rather than focusing on solving the problem which will be futile. We need to be focused on learning how to live in a hotter and more dramatic climate. Whether that’s flood protection, soil protection, food security, and unpopulary immigration and population control. No one’s going to save us when they can’t feed themselves. We need a plan for self sufficiency which is sustainable and flexible.

Paytovote · 19/05/2026 10:13

wrinklycactus · 19/05/2026 09:21

Yes and ironically, if or when the UK does become uninhabitable, we will be the ones migrating.

We are very lucky in that the uk will likely be one of the last habitable places on earth. We really are blessed.

WaryCrow · 19/05/2026 10:21

Paytovote · 19/05/2026 10:13

We are very lucky in that the uk will likely be one of the last habitable places on earth. We really are blessed.

It’s vastly overpopulated and vulnerable to sea level rise. We’re on the edge of the Atlantic and vulnerable both to worsening storms and the currents slowing. Our soils are suffering badly. Sorry. It’s just not true.

crackofdoom · 19/05/2026 10:22

Paytovote · 19/05/2026 10:13

We are very lucky in that the uk will likely be one of the last habitable places on earth. We really are blessed.

Don't want to be a Debbie downer, but read up on the possibility of AMOC collapse (basically the Gulf Stream stopping). They're talking about something like a ten degree drop in average temperatures, happening quite suddenly.

PollyBell · 19/05/2026 10:23

Paytovote · 19/05/2026 10:13

We are very lucky in that the uk will likely be one of the last habitable places on earth. We really are blessed.

How does that work?

InveterateWineDrinker · 19/05/2026 10:34

Within my social circle there are three categories of people.

About ten per cent of us take climate change seriously. Lifestyle choices are made with the climate in mind - reducing foreign travel, reducing meat (especially beef) consumption, PV panels, heat pumps, electric cars. Walking 2km to school, even in the pissing rain we've had this month, instead of driving.

Of the rest, about half simply don't care. New Range Rover every three years, holidays abroad every school holiday, every half term, and a few city breaks on top to break up the rest of the monotony. Homes heated to 26 degrees so they can wear just t-shirts in the middle of winter. Moan like hell about the cost of it all too.

The other half might care, or might not - I genuinely can't tell. But they are clear that any changes required are for someone else to do, and for someone else to pay for.

I'm not sure which group I despair of more

Paytovote · 19/05/2026 10:37

crackofdoom · 19/05/2026 10:22

Don't want to be a Debbie downer, but read up on the possibility of AMOC collapse (basically the Gulf Stream stopping). They're talking about something like a ten degree drop in average temperatures, happening quite suddenly.

Suprisingly cold is not as much a problem for habitat-ability as much as you think.

The last habitable areas of earth are projected to be… ‘high-latitude, inland regions with stable freshwater supplies and temperate conditions. Northern polar and sub-polar zones—such as New Zealand, Iceland, Canada, Norway, Alaska, and the UK’

Paytovote · 19/05/2026 10:39

PollyBell · 19/05/2026 10:23

How does that work?

It work that geographically we are just super lucky!

Paytovote · 19/05/2026 10:41

WaryCrow · 19/05/2026 10:21

It’s vastly overpopulated and vulnerable to sea level rise. We’re on the edge of the Atlantic and vulnerable both to worsening storms and the currents slowing. Our soils are suffering badly. Sorry. It’s just not true.

We will have to learn to survive storms. And yes the soils a big problem. Paradoxically the answer to that is more livestock and permaculture.

nam3c4ang3 · 19/05/2026 10:42

The problem is - too many people dont actually care - they are all pretty short sighted. I work in green energy - have done for about 17 years now, also worked in the oil and gas industry. People dont care, and they are ignorant - people have said to me 'i dont care as I'll be dead by the time that happens' - what about your children, and their children - i asked - 'they'll deal with that' - not enough people care, thats the brutal truth.

TabbyM · 19/05/2026 10:56

Enough of the whataboutery....

Take individual action - walk and cycle more where possible, use a bus or train, eat less meat and dairy, avoid peat-based compost and generally buy less stuff. Look into insulation and home energy grants - save money and power, look into alternative power (heatpumps / solar / wind) where possible.

Larger scale - support sustainable campaigning organisations - Friends of the Earth, XR, the Green Party. Contact your MP / MSP / council to support good stuff like new railways, combined heat and power, swift boxes and oppose the bad like major road building or weakening of environmental protections in planning.

Finally - read The Joyful Environmentalist by Isabel Losada as an antidote to climate despair ;)

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EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 19/05/2026 11:04

nam3c4ang3 · 19/05/2026 10:42

The problem is - too many people dont actually care - they are all pretty short sighted. I work in green energy - have done for about 17 years now, also worked in the oil and gas industry. People dont care, and they are ignorant - people have said to me 'i dont care as I'll be dead by the time that happens' - what about your children, and their children - i asked - 'they'll deal with that' - not enough people care, thats the brutal truth.

You’re asking people who perhaps don’t have the education to understand the topic or who are completely weighed down with their own lives to have the head space for more negativity.

Think about generations that pre-dated the internet. All they would know is what the papers and their community/family told them. Now we are not only completely overwhelmed with global news. We have to find a way to filter out fake news, hyperbole and anecdotal accounts. We are just not wired to be able to take all that on and still say present in our own jobs and family and community.

EarthlyNightshade · 19/05/2026 11:15

YABU to feel hopeful. So few people care about the planet.

I am hoping to survive til the Gulf Stream collapses and hope my kids are somewhere that doesn't depend on it.

People will be huddled at -10 degrees in July and still blame the immigrants.

Paytovote · 19/05/2026 11:17

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 19/05/2026 11:04

You’re asking people who perhaps don’t have the education to understand the topic or who are completely weighed down with their own lives to have the head space for more negativity.

Think about generations that pre-dated the internet. All they would know is what the papers and their community/family told them. Now we are not only completely overwhelmed with global news. We have to find a way to filter out fake news, hyperbole and anecdotal accounts. We are just not wired to be able to take all that on and still say present in our own jobs and family and community.

I agree with this. And as someone who works in a closely related field the jury really is still out.

Partly the reason I know we aren’t going to solve this.

We need to act fast and we are not good at multi disciplinary, sensitive, nuanced and balanced solutions.

Ie. Everyone goes - be vegan - save the planet. That’s completely incorrect. If we all turn vegan tomorrow that’s the fastest way to trashing our soils I can imagine! Arable crop is horrendous for soils. What we actually need more of is permanent pastures. Grassland is one of the most powerful tools we have.

In this country currently we have enviro nazis who have practically banned the planting of any non natives. Both locally and at scale with the new biodiversity net gain legislation. I don’t know if anyone has noticed all their birch’s dieing but our natives are not good with heat and drought! So ironically AMOC might actually be the better option for us if they don’t turn on their heels about that quickly - which in politics they never do!

So this is what I mean about this being incredibly complex. Because from a U.K. perspective we don’t know which way it will swing.

And our ability to be quick and have resource to respond to these problems also requires us to be in a good financial position. Which annoyingly for us is based on an economics model which runs on importing people and growth of consumption. Both two definitive problems. And these are the two only non nuanced problems. Ie. Grazing cattle is not bad. In fact it heals our soils if done sustainably. More people which mean we can’t do that sustainably is a big problem. And more consumption to keep our economy alive also big big problem!