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To exclude sibling from wedding due to their lifestyle choice?

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Salitnan · 17/05/2026 13:30

This will be incredibly identifying to anyone who knows my family and quite controversial but it’s such a bloody niche situation that nobody can relate to and it’s hugely stressing me out. I’m not writing this as ragebait or to troll, it is a genuine situation I am dealing with.

I’m getting married next year. My partner of 5 years is from a very traditional, right-wing Eastern European country. My partner however is very tolerant and chill, as are most of his immediate family who also live in Western countries.

We’ve decided to get married in his home country, as it’s very affordable there and we can have a beautiful package in an area of outstanding natural beauty, and he can invite his dear godparents who he adores (and they adore him) who are scared of flying.

This is all well and good but one of my family members is presenting an issue. My brother (who is an adult in their mid-20s) has a learning disability. This is not a problem, but in the past year they have come out as transgender. This has been a massive struggle for us as there were no signs previously and it came out of nowhere, and they have insisted they are going ahead with the transition and they self-harm if anyone misgenders them or politely reminds them of etiquette in public places regarding toilets, or wearing appropriate clothing for a social situation etc. It has been extremely hard work for my aging parents, he lives with them full time. The learning disability alongside being transgender makes them massively vulnerable and they get stared at in public and often started on when in the city centre by lads, and they aren’t aware of their vulnerability. They insist on dressing incredibly provocatively (wig and heels, provocative clothes) as they say they feel insecure otherwise, and when I have tried to explain to them that women don’t necessarily dress like that, they self-harm. They insult people in public, not to their face, they will say it to my mum (will whisper in her ear “he looks like a twat”), but sometimes people have overheard and started on him and my mum has had to explain about his disability and fend them off.

I’m already in therapy to deal with complex feelings towards them from how they dominate my parents lives and how I felt neglected as a child due to the focus on them and their vulnerabilities. The recent coming out as transgender has brought up a lot of old resentment I had towards him which I had buried, and I’m trying to have the therapy so that I can have a bond with him going forward, but I can’t help but feel a sort of anger at him, and I hate myself for it.

Back onto the wedding topic - I’ve realised I simply don’t want them at the wedding. My fiancé’s family are nice people and wouldn’t be a danger to my brother but many of my fiancé’s extended family members are from a small isolated village in a Catholic Eastern European country and he will be stared at like a hawk, whispered about. To he quite frank he will stick out like a sore thumb with his clothes and hair. As awful as it sounds I will be embarrassed by him and on edge, and won’t be able to enjoy my day. My partner says he’ll notify everyone in advance that my brother will be there and what to expect but I just really can’t be doing with the stress of it all. It’s not just family it’s the the staff in the hotel, other members of the public around who might be drinking, and they will need to stay in the country a few days around the ceremony so lots of opportunity for things to go wrong. They have severe social anxiety due to their learning disability and have been known to sneak alcohol as a way to deal with this and this further increases their vulnerability as they lose their filter and say their mind in front of people.

I did try to compromise and said to my mum I’d be happy to have them if if they would be willing to tone down their dress in order to come to the wedding - dropping the wig and toning down their clothes, but they have become angry at this suggestion and have refused.

I’ve told my mum it may be the case that I can’t invite them, and therefore my parents can’t come either as they are his carers. My mum says she understands and we can have a do later on back in the UK.

I just want my day to not be dominated by him. I also don’t want to have to change the wedding plans that me and my partner are happy with just to suit him. Am I an awful person?

OP posts:
GenialHarrietGrouty · 19/05/2026 07:51

Behaviour of course needs monitoring and I imagine the parents in this case do just that.

@Gloriia Why would you make that assumption when OP has said they brushed aside an incident when he held a knife to his father's throat?

loislovesstewie · 19/05/2026 07:53

@RedToothBrush i agree with you 100 %. However I think you are flogging a dead horse with this poster. What I find disturbing is that there are, quite possibly, professionals out there who would not consider the brother to be dangerous. They would still minimise his behaviours and support his attendance at the wedding. And, yes, it's political correctness gone mad.

Gloriia · 19/05/2026 07:54

RedToothBrush · 19/05/2026 07:43

Bullshit.

I've been on here a long time. A long long time.

Do you know how many threads I've seen where the red flags are presenting in this way? I can tell you this is one that stands out for a reason. The fixation, known violence and police involvement for death threats is highly unusual. It could be a troll for that reason but I am giving the benefit of the doubt because if it's real it's concerning.

As numerous posters have pointed out to the OP this isn't a problem restricted to her wedding. You keep returning this to her poor parents and wittering on about how awful I am.

The OP is embarrassed but more than that she's concerned about her parents welfare. Quite rightly. They are the most likely to be hurt not the wider public because they are already being subjected to parental abuse.

The OP needs to know three crucial things: 1) it's ok to free herself from the guilt of this situation and put herself first 2) that the problem at home is significant, and she should be concerned about the welfare of all three parties and 3) this is a situation no one is likely to be able to fix without outside help and it's a question of getting appropriate help because it hits some sort of crisis point as her brother is spiralling and fixating.

The OP knows this better than any of us. But she is in the FOG (fear, obligation and guilt) and feeling that she's wrong to be recognising a problem with someone she loves and actually wants to protect. It's a place of internal conflict and confusion. She needs to know it's ok to put herself first because it's an extreme situation and she needs to be clear sighted that this isn't a problem about the wedding. The wedding is just the point where she is forced to notice and address the issue that her family is dysfunctional and toxic. Other posters have pointed out that it's not unusual for people to reach similar epiphanies when they get married because it's the point at which you start your own family unit and have ideas about what you want it to look like and you remove yourself from what has been 'your normal'.

The fact you keep hanging on that she should just put up with it all is far fucking worse.

We've all 'been here a long long time' but some of us can post without the insults, 'bullshit, chicken shit, flying monkey' etc etc etc

There are many many people with LDs and behavioural issues and violent outbursts. They aren't murderers in the making.

Your insistence that the ops db could be, without knowing him or the parents, is staggering.

FaceIt · 19/05/2026 08:01

YADNBU

The immense pressure of him being there would turn your special day into a minute by minute nightmare.

I've witnessed a similar situation at a family wedding and it completely ruined the day.

Do not feel guilty 💐

RedToothBrush · 19/05/2026 08:03

Gloriia · 19/05/2026 07:54

We've all 'been here a long long time' but some of us can post without the insults, 'bullshit, chicken shit, flying monkey' etc etc etc

There are many many people with LDs and behavioural issues and violent outbursts. They aren't murderers in the making.

Your insistence that the ops db could be, without knowing him or the parents, is staggering.

Lalala.

I'm not even going to bother to engage with this nonsense at this point.

Maddy70 · 19/05/2026 08:08

It seems to me that maybe you have a weeding and a fake one ... The same as a when people often get married abroad they do the civil service in the UK first ,is that a possibility? Have one for your mum and sibling and then the other in your partners county. That way everyone is included

Cherrytree86 · 19/05/2026 08:09

@Gloriia

Gloria honey, you seem to have a bad case of internalised misogyny…why does a woman finally putting herself first unsettle you so?

Gloriia · 19/05/2026 08:18

Cherrytree86 · 19/05/2026 08:09

@Gloriia

Gloria honey, you seem to have a bad case of internalised misogyny…why does a woman finally putting herself first unsettle you so?

Honey? Isn't that misogynistic?

I don't have any internalised misogyny I have however witnessed friends struggle with those with LDs and family dynamics and excluding parents, or choosing something that will exclude them, isnt the answer imo.

TransportNerd · 19/05/2026 08:28

Gloriia · 19/05/2026 08:18

Honey? Isn't that misogynistic?

I don't have any internalised misogyny I have however witnessed friends struggle with those with LDs and family dynamics and excluding parents, or choosing something that will exclude them, isnt the answer imo.

Anyone has the right to exclude anyone they want for any reason. The OP is completely justified in her actions, and why you keep trying to bully her into submission is a mystery.

The parents have made their choice to pander to the brother's every whim, and that choice has consequences.

WhatAnExcellentDayForAnExorcism · 19/05/2026 08:31

Not to put too fine a point on it, your parents aren’t going to be able to care for your brother forever. Now is the time to get him used to being looked after by other people. For the good of all involved.

I would also make it very clear and very plain now that you will not be taking over care responsibilities when they are no longer able. Just in case it’s assumed that you will simply pick up where they left off. it’s never nice to think about but they need to start planning for the future.

You and your fiancé should have the wedding you want, where you want it. They need to organise other carers, be that respite or what have you and go to their daughter’s wedding.

2026me · 19/05/2026 08:34

Not unreasonable at all. This very much reminds me of my sibling growing up, sadly from experience nothing much ever changes, no matter how hard you try, and I ended up actually cutting contact completely 10 years ago as it was making me ill and affecting my children. My mum still goes along with all the new drama and it still affects her negatively.

Enjoy your wedding guilt free, you are not responsible for them or your parents. Behaviour has consequences.

Cherrytree86 · 19/05/2026 08:35

Gloriia · 19/05/2026 08:18

Honey? Isn't that misogynistic?

I don't have any internalised misogyny I have however witnessed friends struggle with those with LDs and family dynamics and excluding parents, or choosing something that will exclude them, isnt the answer imo.

@Gloriia

she isn’t excluding them though. They are refusing to leave their son with anyone else and utilise support so it’s their choice not to go to their daughters wedding 🤷‍♀️

loislovesstewie · 19/05/2026 08:36

Maddy70 · 19/05/2026 08:08

It seems to me that maybe you have a weeding and a fake one ... The same as a when people often get married abroad they do the civil service in the UK first ,is that a possibility? Have one for your mum and sibling and then the other in your partners county. That way everyone is included

Why can't the OP just have the wedding she and her soon to be husband want? There really would be no need for all of this nonsense if the parents had got him into suitable residential care before this. And they might be enjoying their own lives more too.

HelloSkeletonFace3 · 19/05/2026 08:38

The irony of the thread is that some posters have derailed it and made it all about @Salitnan 's brother.

And to answer your post, OP, which sets out your thoughts, reasons, and plans in a fair way - no, you are not an awful person. You've taken your wishes, your fiances wishes, the needs of both your families, and risk assessed the situation, taking everything into mind. It's obviously not been an easy decision, but I think it's the right one.

I think even if you were having your wedding in Saudi Arabia some people would still insist that your brother turn up in full regalia as your bridesmaid.

Have a wonderful wedding day. I am so sorry your parents won't be able to go but really, that is on them and they are reaping what they have sewn. It's still sad but it might be a catalyst for change. And you can still enjoy celebrating with them; marriage is for life, not just one wedding day. Truly wishing you all the best.

Cherrytree86 · 19/05/2026 08:40

HelloSkeletonFace3 · 19/05/2026 08:38

The irony of the thread is that some posters have derailed it and made it all about @Salitnan 's brother.

And to answer your post, OP, which sets out your thoughts, reasons, and plans in a fair way - no, you are not an awful person. You've taken your wishes, your fiances wishes, the needs of both your families, and risk assessed the situation, taking everything into mind. It's obviously not been an easy decision, but I think it's the right one.

I think even if you were having your wedding in Saudi Arabia some people would still insist that your brother turn up in full regalia as your bridesmaid.

Have a wonderful wedding day. I am so sorry your parents won't be able to go but really, that is on them and they are reaping what they have sewn. It's still sad but it might be a catalyst for change. And you can still enjoy celebrating with them; marriage is for life, not just one wedding day. Truly wishing you all the best.

THIS! Sums it up perfectly

estrogone · 19/05/2026 08:43

Make this one day, just about YOU and your partner.

Don't give it a second thought.

thepariscrimefiles · 19/05/2026 08:48

Gloriia · 19/05/2026 08:18

Honey? Isn't that misogynistic?

I don't have any internalised misogyny I have however witnessed friends struggle with those with LDs and family dynamics and excluding parents, or choosing something that will exclude them, isnt the answer imo.

OP's parents have always put OP's brother first, which is understandable due to his learning disability and behavioural difficulties. OP is in therapy due to how her parents treated her during her childhood. I presume that there was no bad intent, just parents struggling with two very different children, one of whom required much more care and attention. Her brother's needs and wants will always have taken priority over OP's.

However, I believe that her own wedding is one occasion where OP can put herself first. If OP would prefer to have her wedding in her fiance's home country, she should be able to do this without judgement, even if the location and venue mean that her parents and brother can't attend.

PissedOffAutistic · 19/05/2026 08:52

PissedOffAutistic · 18/05/2026 16:27

So you're saying that if someone has a learning disability, we can't risk assess them and take steps to avoid them if they present a credible risk of harm?

@Gloriia - Can you answer my simple question please?

Imdunfer · 19/05/2026 08:54

Gloriia · 19/05/2026 08:18

Honey? Isn't that misogynistic?

I don't have any internalised misogyny I have however witnessed friends struggle with those with LDs and family dynamics and excluding parents, or choosing something that will exclude them, isnt the answer imo.

Given everything the OP has written about his violent responses to requests to dress differently, and accepting that he will turn up, a 6ft 2 bloke in hypersexualised attire who will also cause disruption by his behaviour, and could even be at risk of harm, how would you avoid excluding him?

There seem to me to be two options. That she invites him and he causes mayhem, or that she scales her marriage right down and moves the country it takes place in to suit him.

The parents could attend if they were prepared to accept that one day they will not be around and that it's in the interests of their son that they start training him to that end, no matter how much he kicks off about it.

Can you tell me why you think that the rights of one man override the rights of the bride and the rights of the groom's family members, just because he is disabled?

Gloriia · 19/05/2026 09:00

'Can you tell me why you think that the rights of one man override the rights of the bride and the rights of the groom's family members, just because he is disabled?'

I don't think a man's rights override anyone's?

I think parents should be able to attend their dd's wedding. If I had a db with behavioural issues that meant my parents travelling to another country with or without him would be impossible i would have taken that into consideration when choosing a venue.

RedToothBrush · 19/05/2026 09:03

Gloriia · 19/05/2026 09:00

'Can you tell me why you think that the rights of one man override the rights of the bride and the rights of the groom's family members, just because he is disabled?'

I don't think a man's rights override anyone's?

I think parents should be able to attend their dd's wedding. If I had a db with behavioural issues that meant my parents travelling to another country with or without him would be impossible i would have taken that into consideration when choosing a venue.

Edited

The magic invisible Eastern European Grooms Family who don't even get a mention in this post.

The family that he doesn't regularly see. Because they live in the same country as the bride ...

Imdunfer · 19/05/2026 09:05

Gloriia · 19/05/2026 09:00

'Can you tell me why you think that the rights of one man override the rights of the bride and the rights of the groom's family members, just because he is disabled?'

I don't think a man's rights override anyone's?

I think parents should be able to attend their dd's wedding. If I had a db with behavioural issues that meant my parents travelling to another country with or without him would be impossible i would have taken that into consideration when choosing a venue.

Edited

And by doing so in this case you would deny the groom and the groom's family the same choice. And deny the bride the big family wedding in her husband's home country and culture that she wants.

It's her parents choice not to prepare their son for when they can no longer care for him. They've prioritised him, to his own detriment and theirs and their daughter's, his whole life.

I think it's time the bride had the wedding she wants without being guilt tripped by a cry of "but he's disabled!".

loislovesstewie · 19/05/2026 09:08

Gloriia · 19/05/2026 09:00

'Can you tell me why you think that the rights of one man override the rights of the bride and the rights of the groom's family members, just because he is disabled?'

I don't think a man's rights override anyone's?

I think parents should be able to attend their dd's wedding. If I had a db with behavioural issues that meant my parents travelling to another country with or without him would be impossible i would have taken that into consideration when choosing a venue.

Edited

Please, why don't you understand that the brother clearly has some major issues, whatever you want to call those issues, and as a result of that he is likely to completely ruin the day NO MATTER WHERE IT IS? In addition, given his previous behaviours, that could involve him being violent. Why is that so hard to understand?

thepariscrimefiles · 19/05/2026 09:10

Gloriia · 19/05/2026 09:00

'Can you tell me why you think that the rights of one man override the rights of the bride and the rights of the groom's family members, just because he is disabled?'

I don't think a man's rights override anyone's?

I think parents should be able to attend their dd's wedding. If I had a db with behavioural issues that meant my parents travelling to another country with or without him would be impossible i would have taken that into consideration when choosing a venue.

Edited

You like to think that you would put your parents first when choosing a wedding location, even if your childhood had been as bad as OP's, but as you aren't in her position, you can't really know for sure.

Your squabbles with other posters aside, I don't think that you are being fair to OP. You are showing loads of empathy for OP's brother and parents but very little for OP.

Allowingthebreeze · 19/05/2026 09:12

The man is clearly mentally unwell and should be sectioned if he is brandishing knives and a danger to himself and others

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