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To exclude sibling from wedding due to their lifestyle choice?

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Salitnan · 17/05/2026 13:30

This will be incredibly identifying to anyone who knows my family and quite controversial but it’s such a bloody niche situation that nobody can relate to and it’s hugely stressing me out. I’m not writing this as ragebait or to troll, it is a genuine situation I am dealing with.

I’m getting married next year. My partner of 5 years is from a very traditional, right-wing Eastern European country. My partner however is very tolerant and chill, as are most of his immediate family who also live in Western countries.

We’ve decided to get married in his home country, as it’s very affordable there and we can have a beautiful package in an area of outstanding natural beauty, and he can invite his dear godparents who he adores (and they adore him) who are scared of flying.

This is all well and good but one of my family members is presenting an issue. My brother (who is an adult in their mid-20s) has a learning disability. This is not a problem, but in the past year they have come out as transgender. This has been a massive struggle for us as there were no signs previously and it came out of nowhere, and they have insisted they are going ahead with the transition and they self-harm if anyone misgenders them or politely reminds them of etiquette in public places regarding toilets, or wearing appropriate clothing for a social situation etc. It has been extremely hard work for my aging parents, he lives with them full time. The learning disability alongside being transgender makes them massively vulnerable and they get stared at in public and often started on when in the city centre by lads, and they aren’t aware of their vulnerability. They insist on dressing incredibly provocatively (wig and heels, provocative clothes) as they say they feel insecure otherwise, and when I have tried to explain to them that women don’t necessarily dress like that, they self-harm. They insult people in public, not to their face, they will say it to my mum (will whisper in her ear “he looks like a twat”), but sometimes people have overheard and started on him and my mum has had to explain about his disability and fend them off.

I’m already in therapy to deal with complex feelings towards them from how they dominate my parents lives and how I felt neglected as a child due to the focus on them and their vulnerabilities. The recent coming out as transgender has brought up a lot of old resentment I had towards him which I had buried, and I’m trying to have the therapy so that I can have a bond with him going forward, but I can’t help but feel a sort of anger at him, and I hate myself for it.

Back onto the wedding topic - I’ve realised I simply don’t want them at the wedding. My fiancé’s family are nice people and wouldn’t be a danger to my brother but many of my fiancé’s extended family members are from a small isolated village in a Catholic Eastern European country and he will be stared at like a hawk, whispered about. To he quite frank he will stick out like a sore thumb with his clothes and hair. As awful as it sounds I will be embarrassed by him and on edge, and won’t be able to enjoy my day. My partner says he’ll notify everyone in advance that my brother will be there and what to expect but I just really can’t be doing with the stress of it all. It’s not just family it’s the the staff in the hotel, other members of the public around who might be drinking, and they will need to stay in the country a few days around the ceremony so lots of opportunity for things to go wrong. They have severe social anxiety due to their learning disability and have been known to sneak alcohol as a way to deal with this and this further increases their vulnerability as they lose their filter and say their mind in front of people.

I did try to compromise and said to my mum I’d be happy to have them if if they would be willing to tone down their dress in order to come to the wedding - dropping the wig and toning down their clothes, but they have become angry at this suggestion and have refused.

I’ve told my mum it may be the case that I can’t invite them, and therefore my parents can’t come either as they are his carers. My mum says she understands and we can have a do later on back in the UK.

I just want my day to not be dominated by him. I also don’t want to have to change the wedding plans that me and my partner are happy with just to suit him. Am I an awful person?

OP posts:
ForeverTheOptomist · 18/05/2026 09:52

Spicysirracha · 18/05/2026 08:30

This man should be in a psychiatric unit rather than respite.

He is violent and threatening. And he is currently being indulged by enabling parents.

He is dangerous to the public

Edited

... what about the other patients and staff in the psychiatric unit? Do they not count?!

I suspect that you perhaps mean a specialised high-security psychiatric hospital.

Utopiaqueen · 18/05/2026 09:55

Greenwitchart · 18/05/2026 09:45

Personally I would not marry someone from a ''right wing'' country with a relatives who let religion dictate how they think and behave and who makes you want to hide your brother simply because he is different.

Have you thought about what would happen if you have kids and one of them turns out to be gay or trans or disabled? will you hide them too?

Life is too short for bigotry and judgement.

Human beings are judge people on an initial basis all the time. It's part of our nature. Anyone turning up to any wedding in a wig and provoactive clothing is going to be stared at and judged. It's simply naive to think otherwise and it doesn't mean people are being unkind. The OP is well within her rights to limit embarrassment for her brother and herself at her wedding.

And the OP is also well within her rights to marry her future husband. I see absolutely no suggestion anywhere her OH is small minded, in fact he's offered to talk to his relatives. Is it now some pre-requisite that in order to marry you need to get along with all your future spouses relatives and agree with the politics of their country? I'm pretty sure most people have relatives on their own side and their spouses side of the family they don't get on with or don't agree with.

HeyThereDelila · 18/05/2026 09:56

Completely fair enough. If you get on well with your parents though is there nobody else who could look after your brother? A shame for your parents to miss your wedding if you’d have otherwise liked them there.

HeyThereDelila · 18/05/2026 10:05

I’d echo a PP and maybe have a conversation with his social worker and privately with your parents about assisted living etc for when they can no longer care for him. He cannot end up living with you and no way would I allow him near any future children you may have.

Catdoorman · 18/05/2026 10:10

Greenwitchart · 18/05/2026 09:45

Personally I would not marry someone from a ''right wing'' country with a relatives who let religion dictate how they think and behave and who makes you want to hide your brother simply because he is different.

Have you thought about what would happen if you have kids and one of them turns out to be gay or trans or disabled? will you hide them too?

Life is too short for bigotry and judgement.

I think she just wants to marry the man she loves, on their own terms, without having the joy sucked out of it by having to compromise or sacrifice any of it to a brother who has always been supported, and has had/does have his needs/wants catered to and had all family arrangements tailored to him, as though he is everyone's top priority.

IonianNerveGrip · 18/05/2026 10:14

Greenwitchart · 18/05/2026 09:45

Personally I would not marry someone from a ''right wing'' country with a relatives who let religion dictate how they think and behave and who makes you want to hide your brother simply because he is different.

Have you thought about what would happen if you have kids and one of them turns out to be gay or trans or disabled? will you hide them too?

Life is too short for bigotry and judgement.

I'm assuming you've missed the subsequent posts about knives, threats and physical attacks then?

The idea that OP should put her brother turning up in womanface above her own wishes is problematic enough even without that, of course, but given the proclivity for violence and the brothers clear inability to cope it becomes ridiculous as well as misogynistic.

ByWittyGoose · 18/05/2026 10:22

Sounds like you've played second fiddle your whole life OP

Enjoy your wedding, have a little party when you're home for them.

Don't give it another thought, it's YOUR day

YorksMa · 18/05/2026 10:25

I've been reading all your posts and responses OP. I'm sorry for the horrible situation you're in. While there's nothing wrong with having a learning disability or being transgender, there's plenty wrong with being a manipulative, violent ass-hat, which it seems your brother is. I wouldn't have him within a country mile of my wedding - based on his behaviour, not his protected characteristics. I would also be making it extremely clear that I was not going to be his future carer - and get that in writing. It's hard on your parents, but they are adults who are also making their own choices about their own son. It's not down to you to fix everything and make everything ok. I hope you have a lovely, peaceful wedding.

TransportNerd · 18/05/2026 10:25

Exclude them. It's the only reasonable thing to do.

My sister has had horrific mental health problems most of her life, and when our mum was still alive, I felt very pressured to have her at events like my graduation, wedding etc, and it was really stressful.

I'm now very low contact with her, and while I occasionally feel guilty about it, I know it's the right thing to do.

Utopiaqueen · 18/05/2026 10:26

IonianNerveGrip · 18/05/2026 10:14

I'm assuming you've missed the subsequent posts about knives, threats and physical attacks then?

The idea that OP should put her brother turning up in womanface above her own wishes is problematic enough even without that, of course, but given the proclivity for violence and the brothers clear inability to cope it becomes ridiculous as well as misogynistic.

I completely agree. I think a lot of these posts are made from people who just want to be virtue signalling rather than people who've actually genuinely thought about the situation or have any real understanding about it.

I'm going to hazard a guess that the OP has spent a large chunk of her life coming second to her brother, having her needs pushed aside to appease him and as she revealed, being to family events that have all centred around him.

Now on her wedding day which should be about her and her partner, she's been told by some posters that she shouldn't even be marrying her partner or have the wedding she wants, all because of the needs of her sibling. How in any world is this fair? When does the OP actually get to live her life or must her sibling always come first at every turn.

I really find it hard to believe that all these posters would sit there, completely nonchalant at their own or ANY wedding while someone walked about in a wig and provacative clothing while they got drunk and loudly insulted people.

TransportNerd · 18/05/2026 10:28

Catdoorman · 18/05/2026 10:10

I think she just wants to marry the man she loves, on their own terms, without having the joy sucked out of it by having to compromise or sacrifice any of it to a brother who has always been supported, and has had/does have his needs/wants catered to and had all family arrangements tailored to him, as though he is everyone's top priority.

Absolutely. This has a lot more to do with the brother being an asshole than being trans.

NurtureGrow · 18/05/2026 10:32

This is such a difficult situation and I feel for you, especially the transgenger situation added in, and it being provocative etc.

I know it's hard, but I wouldn't invite them. I think you could say that sadly in Eastern Europe it would be too difficult. It's sad your parents couldn't come, but I think you have to do whats right for you at this time in your life.

I'd also be sure they do not know the venue location, address and time of the wedding. I guess they wouldn't be capable of turning up alone, but I would want to make sure of that.

I don't think your difficulty, anger, need to process are unreasonable, I see how it is so hard for your parents. I wonder if your sibling is having therapy too. I'm sure your parents are doing all they can. It sounds so hard.

Sending you lots of love for a beautiful wedding and time in your life xxx

ERthree · 18/05/2026 10:35

Please don't invite him, he is a liability and will ruin your wedding. It is sad your parents won't see you marry but they have pandered to him all his life, they have never made him fledge.
Maybe some kind soul could use facetime during the ceremony so they could watch.
Enjoy your wedding in peace. When you are home draw right back from your brother. Have you asked your parents what plans they have for your brother when they are no longer here. Make it very obvious you will not have him living with you and neither will you be doing any sort of caring for him or taking any sort of responsibility for him.

NurtureGrow · 18/05/2026 10:35

TransportNerd · 18/05/2026 10:28

Absolutely. This has a lot more to do with the brother being an asshole than being trans.

Also, I would add, my cousin had a situation for her wedding... their aunt and husband had caused a massive fall out with her mum sometime before and there was a lot of: 'will they/ won't they' come to her wedding.

Well, in the end they came. Weren't particularly warm. I even went out to our car at one point and they were sat in their car giggling... not in the reception. It could have been a reconcilliation, but they have been rude to my cousin's mum since... nothing changed.

So she went to the effort of including them, and ultimately it wasn't worth it.

So I really feel you have to do what's right for you and this time. Celebrate the beautiful people, friends and family you have in your life and I wouldn't invite your sibling. So sorry.

NurtureGrow · 18/05/2026 10:37

ERthree · 18/05/2026 10:35

Please don't invite him, he is a liability and will ruin your wedding. It is sad your parents won't see you marry but they have pandered to him all his life, they have never made him fledge.
Maybe some kind soul could use facetime during the ceremony so they could watch.
Enjoy your wedding in peace. When you are home draw right back from your brother. Have you asked your parents what plans they have for your brother when they are no longer here. Make it very obvious you will not have him living with you and neither will you be doing any sort of caring for him or taking any sort of responsibility for him.

100%..

And yes, a laptop could be set up in the ceremony room... so it just runs... noone has to maintain it too much. FaceTime could also be a possibility at a set time.

Gloriia · 18/05/2026 10:43

NurtureGrow · 18/05/2026 10:35

Also, I would add, my cousin had a situation for her wedding... their aunt and husband had caused a massive fall out with her mum sometime before and there was a lot of: 'will they/ won't they' come to her wedding.

Well, in the end they came. Weren't particularly warm. I even went out to our car at one point and they were sat in their car giggling... not in the reception. It could have been a reconcilliation, but they have been rude to my cousin's mum since... nothing changed.

So she went to the effort of including them, and ultimately it wasn't worth it.

So I really feel you have to do what's right for you and this time. Celebrate the beautiful people, friends and family you have in your life and I wouldn't invite your sibling. So sorry.

Have your aunt and dp got brain damage caused at birth leading to LD? If not I'm struggling to see the relevance here tbh.

This is surely about finding a way to include her parents even if the db seems to have been written off as an unwelcome pita by the op and many intolerant posters on here.

loislovesstewie · 18/05/2026 10:47

@Gloriia its not about being intolerant. It's about 1 person ruining the day, a person who is violent, dresses and acts inappropriately, and who would in all likelihood cause immense problems on the day. No one gets invited to a wedding or other family event if their behaviour is that bad.

Utopiaqueen · 18/05/2026 10:56

Gloriia · 18/05/2026 10:43

Have your aunt and dp got brain damage caused at birth leading to LD? If not I'm struggling to see the relevance here tbh.

This is surely about finding a way to include her parents even if the db seems to have been written off as an unwelcome pita by the op and many intolerant posters on here.

I spent 20 years working in LD so I can assure you I am not intolerant. And having a LD and brain injury doesn't just mean that the OP must completely re-arrange every and all aspects of her life to include him. It sounds like she's done that her whole life. Her wedding is the one day she's allowed to make it about her.

And I would argue it would be cruel to subject her brother to a long flight, being in an unfamiliar country and in a large gathering with unfamiliar people. And the OP has said her brother has been violent in the past and has loudly insulted people in the past.

There seems to be some argument that it's not OK for people to not stare and judge the OPs brother but its completely acceptable for the OP to have her brother wear hyper sexualised clothes at the wedding, get very drunk, potentially be violent and loudly insult people. All of which is happened in the past.

If we want people with LD to be treated the same as everyone, then we can't say it's acceptable for them to come to a wedding and display behaviour we would find completely unacceptable in others. The OP is well within her right to put boundaries and limits on this. Why should of the rest of the guests be put at risk of verbal or potentially violent behaviour.

RedToothBrush · 18/05/2026 10:56

Utopiaqueen · 18/05/2026 09:25

I think people forget that the OPs sibling is not the only relative at this wedding. She's already said that every family event has had to be centred around her siblings needs and it seems massively unfair that her wedding, which is one of the most important days of her life and should actually be what the couple wants people are still saying should be centred around the OPs brother.

And as the OP has rightly pointed out, her OHs family also need to be considered and they aren't any less important.

The OP has said her mum understands and has said they can have a seperate do at home. I'm still not sure why people are getting on their high horse and insist the wedding is re-arranged to meet the needs of her one sibling.

Because they want to virtue signal how inclusive they are and how enlightened they are when they have fuck all experience of the reality of having a family member who doesn't give a shit about you and will happily abuse family members.

LiviaDrusillaAugusta · 18/05/2026 11:05

Gloriia · 18/05/2026 10:43

Have your aunt and dp got brain damage caused at birth leading to LD? If not I'm struggling to see the relevance here tbh.

This is surely about finding a way to include her parents even if the db seems to have been written off as an unwelcome pita by the op and many intolerant posters on here.

Intolerant? Well yes. Intolerant of someone who, LD or not, manipulates his family, has decided he is a woman but dresses in a way that will cause negative attention, insists on using female only facilities and causes issues.

FancyBiscuitsLevel · 18/05/2026 11:10

Whether it’s a psychiatric unit, or sheltered living situation, the fact is, the OPs parents are getting older, he is increasingly hard for them to manage and the OP has been clear she won’t be taking over when her parents can no longer cope.

This wedding could be used as a catalyst for the OP to force her parents to face up the situation, they need to make a plan with social services and whatever local services are available that would meet his needs, being clear he is violent and a danger to both himself and her parents. (Possibly also other strangers). The parents need to be encouraged to face the reality- they either get involved now at finding a solution for their DS, that allows time for slow introductions and them being able to help him settle etc or they wait until there’s a crisis and they can no longer can look after him and he has to deal with the emotional turmoil of whatever’s just happened to his parents and getting used to the new situation, which possibly might not be the best for him, because they had to go with whatever was available that day.

(and also really could one of your parents go to the wedding OP? If you could time it so they could say, travel there on the day before the wedding, back the follow morning, it would only be 2 nights the other parent has to cope solo.)

Utopiaqueen · 18/05/2026 11:16

Gloriia · 18/05/2026 10:43

Have your aunt and dp got brain damage caused at birth leading to LD? If not I'm struggling to see the relevance here tbh.

This is surely about finding a way to include her parents even if the db seems to have been written off as an unwelcome pita by the op and many intolerant posters on here.

Are you in therapy due to growing up with a sibling with complex needs and feeling neglected during your childhood?
Does your sibling self harm when told no or told do something they don't like and do this right in front of you?
Has your sibling had the police called on them for being at an activity centre?
Loudly insult people in public?
Threaten their parent with a knife?
Manhandle their other parent?
Become vulnerable and unpredictable when alcohol involved?

If not then I'm struggling to see the relevance of your posts of why he should be included.

Because that is everything the OP has described about her brother and their relationship. I would argue those behaviors go far beyond being an "unwelcome PITA" and would actually compromise the safety of her wedding for herself, family and guests.

I'm assuming you just saw "brain injury and LD" and ignored all the other very concerning behaviour. Are you HONESTLY saying you'd be quite happy and relaxed at your wedding to have someone there who has the potential to be violent, loudly insult guests, become unpredictable around alcohol not to mention the completely inappropriate attire and somehow expect everyone else to adopt the same nonchalant attitude. Really?

Gloriia · 18/05/2026 11:25

Utopiaqueen · 18/05/2026 11:16

Are you in therapy due to growing up with a sibling with complex needs and feeling neglected during your childhood?
Does your sibling self harm when told no or told do something they don't like and do this right in front of you?
Has your sibling had the police called on them for being at an activity centre?
Loudly insult people in public?
Threaten their parent with a knife?
Manhandle their other parent?
Become vulnerable and unpredictable when alcohol involved?

If not then I'm struggling to see the relevance of your posts of why he should be included.

Because that is everything the OP has described about her brother and their relationship. I would argue those behaviors go far beyond being an "unwelcome PITA" and would actually compromise the safety of her wedding for herself, family and guests.

I'm assuming you just saw "brain injury and LD" and ignored all the other very concerning behaviour. Are you HONESTLY saying you'd be quite happy and relaxed at your wedding to have someone there who has the potential to be violent, loudly insult guests, become unpredictable around alcohol not to mention the completely inappropriate attire and somehow expect everyone else to adopt the same nonchalant attitude. Really?

Edited

The op posted for opinions. I've had many life challenges thanks, different to the op's but if I start a thread asking for advice do feel free to contribute.

The op should have chosen a venue that allowed her parents to attend with or without the db. All the info about the pretty scenery and east European guests scared of flying was all so unnecessary. She doesn't want her family there and if I were the dm I'd find that unforgivable tbh but the parents have probably had a lifetime of crap so will be resigned to it.

Utopiaqueen · 18/05/2026 11:35

Gloriia · 18/05/2026 11:25

The op posted for opinions. I've had many life challenges thanks, different to the op's but if I start a thread asking for advice do feel free to contribute.

The op should have chosen a venue that allowed her parents to attend with or without the db. All the info about the pretty scenery and east European guests scared of flying was all so unnecessary. She doesn't want her family there and if I were the dm I'd find that unforgivable tbh but the parents have probably had a lifetime of crap so will be resigned to it.

Edited

The OP is entitled to have her wedding where she wants without you dictating to her where this "should" be.

The OPs partners family are of equal importance to the wedding. And the OP has made it quite clear she wants her parents there but they can't come without her brother. And as she's stated she's in therapy due to feeling neglected over her childhood and coming second to her brother then it's massively unfair that this theme continues on her wedding day. She's probably more entitled than anyone to have a "beautiful scenic" wedding.

And who is the lifetime of crap from? The OP?

RedToothBrush · 18/05/2026 11:41

Identity being more important and unacceptable behaviours excused because of identity is the core failing of identity politics across the board.

Its a view of the priviledged who don't have to deal with the reality and consequences of this mentality. And they shame and smear those who do at significant cost to themselves. These people are silenced and problems shoved under the carpet instead of having crucial conversations about how society deals with people behaving in a toxic manner.

I always say that I treat everyone quality. If I wouldn't accept that behviour from this someone else, I should not tolerate it from someone else because of their special identity.

You treat the behaviour not the identity of someone. Unacceptable behaviour is unacceptable behaviour regardless of identity. If he kicks off at someone and commits a criminal act, he will still have to face the consequences of that - which may be imprisonment away from parental support or may include being deemed as lacking in capacity to make decisions. Either way, it will be a scenario he will not like and will not cope with.

The report into Southport identified that it was known that although people with autism are not generally a risk there are some autistic people who, if they present certain red flags, are much more likely than the generally population to carry out violent acts - fixations and certain patterns of behaviour were not taken seriously because everyone was too busy saying 'oh we can't question this because its prejudical'. In this case the OP has stated the following:

They do have a social worker. They went to a special school. (Limited capacity issues and involvement of social services already)

Mum came back to me saying brother reacted badly and said he feels insecure without the wig and starting biting himself. (when asked to dress gender neutral)

In the months in the run up to the trans announcement they became obsessed with watching content about trans/gender stuff online and became quite weird about it all. (fixation)

They used to talk about hating men and this culminated when they left a note in the bathroom at a crazy golf centre saying they wanted to be violent towards some men there who had long hair. (irrational violent intent)

All whilst being unironically dressed like something from the rocky horror picture show. (paraphilia type behaviour)

Despite dressing like this, he states he has social anxiety and has unfortunately found that if he sneaks alcohol it gives him the confidence to talk to people he wouldn’t usually talk to. (Alcohol dependency / abuse)

However this makes him lose his filter and he will openly talk about things he doesn’t like - particularly men with a particular hairstyle which for some reason really triggers him and he has an intense hatred of and will indiscreetly make comments to my mum about how he feels towards the men present who have said hairstyle. (Particular irrational triggers which lead to comments)

She is scared to bring up respite care as he is built like a brick shithouse and can fly off the handle when something is said that he doesn’t like, usually the harm is done against himself but he has manhandled mum before and once held a knife to my dad over being misgendered (Actual self harm and violence to others when he doesn't get his own way)

The other week the police were called to an activity centre where dad had taken him crazy golfing as he left a note in the bathroom stating he felt violent towards men that dressed in a certain way. (Actual police involvement because of his conduct and threats to men)

If you were to risk assess this, he's a) fixating heavily b) has a target c) has threatened and shown violent conduct. This is not ok and is a chain of red flags that add up to a growing risk if not taken seriously. It is NOT normal behaviour even more someone who has some sort of learning disability nor is it behaviour that should be accepted on the basis that someone is trans and we should just be nice to them no matter what.

The OP is at a point where she is starting her own family unit. The reality here is she is going to have make some significant decisions if she does have children. If her brother is making threats to his father, she will need to safeguard any children from them. It will not be possible for him to live with her or be in the presence of any children. The OPs Mum and Dad potentially are not grasping this at this point. The wedding is just the first of many such decisions regarding her brother and parents. What happens with future Christmases etc etc?

The OP can not live her entire life for her brother. She would have to forgo having children to do that. And potentially not even get married.

In this context, the support of her inlaws to the couple is particularly important even if they live abroad. The OP will need the emotional support of her husband and his family in the future just generally because she doesn't get it from her own family. Why cut this off because it doesn't suit various narratives? Thats cutting off her nose to spite her face.

The OP is moving forward with her life and will need to deal with the emotional blackmail from her parents as they get older. In many ways the argument for her distancing herself from her parents is liable only to get bigger. The expectations of her parents that she will one day be her brothers carer is as unreasonable as any of his behaviour.

She ultimately is not responsible for the actions of her parents to not work out an alternative future plan and she can not be responsible for her brother if he behaves like this because it is too much and she lacks the ability to deal with it - it will put her relationship at risk and if she does have children its a complete non starter. Hard truth time: distance now, means the emphasis and responsibility is more likely fall on social services not the OP and it changes the expectations of her brother than he can just make demands from his sister in the future.

It is patronising and ignorant not to see the whole debate and conversation through this lens. There are some very difficult conversations ahead here. Ones that some of those involved may not wish to have but will eventually come to a head at one point or another as they are unavoidable.

Her parents ongoing denial issues and covering for their son are a massive part of the problem. They actually need to take advantage of a crisis and view it and use it as a opportnity for change simply because things can not carry on in this manner indefinitely.

This is a wall of reality situation where fundamental truths which can not be changed will always eventually become unavoidable or undenable. There WILL be a crisis point. The only decisions to be made are about how you mitigate this and manage it to minimise it rather than let it esculate further and become an even bigger problem.

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