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To wonder what else can be done to break the cycle of generations living off benefits?

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Allonthesametrain · 15/05/2026 22:25

Sounds harsh because It is. As a former teacher, then eduation social worker, now the past few years more heavily involved with school attendance.

My desire has always been to help children from unprivileged backgrounds to know their worth and achieve the best they can and this has been my career from age 23 to 57.

The number of times I've cried, torn my hair out, is immeasurable. I and colleagues have gone above and beyond to support the families, genuinely care about them, but unfortunately the outcome has been, as I've said in title, it's a continiation of the cycle of being brought up within a small community and low expectations.

So many gorgeous kids (supported throughout their young lives until they leave school) who tell you their dreams of what they want to to achieve in life, we do everything we can to enable it and some have indeed broken out of the circle but unfortunately the reality has been...

Parents who live lifestyles of no bedtime routine, tell their kids not to come back before ...pm, sleep in and don't get them out of bed ready and fed for school and as for weekends, pub and take back a new bloke

Parents who have issues themselves and project them onto DC. The kids soon realise they can stay off school for feigning illness and would actually be a comfort to Mum

The parents who just cba and say shall we just still in bed?

Of course there are so many other mitigating factors but these are the 3 main experiences we've dealt with. Unfortunately it really does come down to poor parenting and no matter what interventions we do to encourage attendance, only a minority are genuine.

So the cycle...DC think education isn't important, parents are hopeless role models and can often be aggressive to teachers, a deflection of blame.

Then oh DD gets pregnant at age 15, DS has been reprimanded by the police for scooting around in a balaclava. Then pure hostility when we try to continue to talk to them and what could be done to help.

Basically it's just such a shame, these sweet young kids who say they want to be ... become so influenced by their homelife, a need to fit in with their family and peers from the same estate, that they ignore the support we give them, don't turn up to appointments etc.

For the genuine cases, DC with SEN, the effort to try and ensure they are in best place is utmost and it's heartbreaking there aren't enough of them. Yes, we do know genuine cases and not just so many parents striving for a diagnosis because they feed DC a terrible diet and let them stay up late so are tired and irritable at school.

Expecting some backlash, whatever anyone says I can reason with.

OP posts:
youalright · 16/05/2026 23:22

What do we think tomorrow's benefit bashing thread will be?

SpryTaupeTurtle · 16/05/2026 23:23

Walkyrie · 16/05/2026 23:14

Well my mum allowed her partner to abuse us because she was afraid of standing up to it. My dad allowed my stepbrother to abuse me because he knew intervening would be the end of his marriage. Haven’t seen either of them in years. Dad’s drinking himself to death (lifelong alcoholic) and pauses to send me the odd abusive email. I saw in the newspaper my mums partner was eventually done in court for beating her up but last I heard they’re back together. It is very hard. Sympathies.

My stepfather married my mum because he thought that she was getting money when my grandpa died. She told me the first time he smacked her was on their honeymoon. He mentally abused her too. She still has scars on her lip from when he took her elbow off her face and wouldn't let her go to hospital. He used to beat her up every weekend.

He tried to strangle her one day when she was holding my wee brother (who wasn't his thankfully).

And he turned the gas taps on one day hoping the house would blow up because he thought wrongly that my mum got money when her dad died..

He was a drinker and a gambler too. He stole from my mum and my gran once caught her going through her handbag

My mum eventually told my uncle what was going on and he threw him out

It is.

IsabellaVireauxLaurent · 16/05/2026 23:25

youalright · 16/05/2026 23:19

Where so close to the end of this thread let's get it finished so we can get on with our life's. So what's everyone doing tomorrow? Im at work 😭

fashion analysis for company project

SpryTaupeTurtle · 16/05/2026 23:25

youalright · 16/05/2026 23:19

Where so close to the end of this thread let's get it finished so we can get on with our life's. So what's everyone doing tomorrow? Im at work 😭

Going to the pictures (cinema) with my mum and wee brother. Celebrating that my football team got into Europe. Thinking about two uni essays I have to write in the next ten days.

youalright · 16/05/2026 23:26

IsabellaVireauxLaurent · 16/05/2026 23:25

fashion analysis for company project

I don't know what that means but sounds fun. Im imagining a scene from devil wears prada

youalright · 16/05/2026 23:27

SpryTaupeTurtle · 16/05/2026 23:25

Going to the pictures (cinema) with my mum and wee brother. Celebrating that my football team got into Europe. Thinking about two uni essays I have to write in the next ten days.

2 thats a lot. Good luck. What film you going to see?

XenoBitch · 16/05/2026 23:28

youalright · 16/05/2026 23:19

Where so close to the end of this thread let's get it finished so we can get on with our life's. So what's everyone doing tomorrow? Im at work 😭

I need to pick my meds up. They were sent to my usual pharmacy, and it was shut! Staff issues. So I have had to rawdog it today, hence why I am particularly snarky.

ForWittyTealOP · 16/05/2026 23:29

Pinkypromise43 · 16/05/2026 23:11

You’re confusing 2 different things. Capital vs income. There are no income products as far as I’m aware of that relate children and illness. The only ones that exist, and certainly the ones I was describing, are capital payments. Critical illness (hence child critical illness) are capital payout products. What you’re describing are income protection products and they pay a monthly income replacement but not if a child is disabled. This is an example of one - https://adviser.vitality.co.uk/insights/life-cover-not-just-for-adults-child-sic/

As parents, there is no insurance that covers the lifelong care of a child. The only thing you could use is your own income protection policy and make a successful claim for mental health as a consequence of the childhood illness but it would be challenging one to get through I think for any long period of time.

Anyway, Google is best here to better understand things.

You have finally grasped my point!

IsabellaVireauxLaurent · 16/05/2026 23:30

youalright · 16/05/2026 23:26

I don't know what that means but sounds fun. Im imagining a scene from devil wears prada

pritty much think that film and / it with ugly betty,

basically its a run down of the latest fashion trends on the market, different price ranges, different styles and brands and a chart of who owns what brands, then its research on fast fashion and developing fashion trends and how people chop and change different styles vs what is showcased at the met gala

youalright · 16/05/2026 23:31

XenoBitch · 16/05/2026 23:28

I need to pick my meds up. They were sent to my usual pharmacy, and it was shut! Staff issues. So I have had to rawdog it today, hence why I am particularly snarky.

🤣🤣🤣 its such a pain im on weeklys (although up from dailys) as my dr doesn't trust me not to you know go into the light. So its such a pain when they make a mistake because you don't have a good supply like others do. Hope you manage to get them tomorrow ok

youalright · 16/05/2026 23:33

IsabellaVireauxLaurent · 16/05/2026 23:30

pritty much think that film and / it with ugly betty,

basically its a run down of the latest fashion trends on the market, different price ranges, different styles and brands and a chart of who owns what brands, then its research on fast fashion and developing fashion trends and how people chop and change different styles vs what is showcased at the met gala

That sounds so much fun. I don't follow or understand fashion but I still think it sounds a fun job.

XenoBitch · 16/05/2026 23:33

youalright · 16/05/2026 23:31

🤣🤣🤣 its such a pain im on weeklys (although up from dailys) as my dr doesn't trust me not to you know go into the light. So its such a pain when they make a mistake because you don't have a good supply like others do. Hope you manage to get them tomorrow ok

I am on weekly too for the same reason.
Thanks, supermarket on a Sunday. Wish me luck!

youalright · 16/05/2026 23:35

XenoBitch · 16/05/2026 23:33

I am on weekly too for the same reason.
Thanks, supermarket on a Sunday. Wish me luck!

Good luck 🤞🤞

SpryTaupeTurtle · 16/05/2026 23:35

youalright · 16/05/2026 23:27

2 thats a lot. Good luck. What film you going to see?

Some weird sci film. Project Hail Mary. My brother has seen it already. I personally want to see cartoons

IsabellaVireauxLaurent · 16/05/2026 23:35

youalright · 16/05/2026 23:33

That sounds so much fun. I don't follow or understand fashion but I still think it sounds a fun job.

i didnt to begin with i had to use chagpt to make a list of basic level essays to help understand fashion then i used the site wikihow then wikipedia and now i try to seem like i know what im talking about when discussing the fashion capitals and different segments of fashion

youalright · 16/05/2026 23:36

SpryTaupeTurtle · 16/05/2026 23:35

Some weird sci film. Project Hail Mary. My brother has seen it already. I personally want to see cartoons

Yeah im with you on that although at least you can get popcorn

XenoBitch · 16/05/2026 23:36

youalright · 16/05/2026 23:35

Good luck 🤞🤞

I hope your shift tomorrow goes well, and that you have a nice cool pillow tonight too.

youalright · 16/05/2026 23:37

IsabellaVireauxLaurent · 16/05/2026 23:35

i didnt to begin with i had to use chagpt to make a list of basic level essays to help understand fashion then i used the site wikihow then wikipedia and now i try to seem like i know what im talking about when discussing the fashion capitals and different segments of fashion

You sound just like Andy from devil wears prada. I hope your boss isn't like miranda 🤣

youalright · 16/05/2026 23:37

XenoBitch · 16/05/2026 23:36

I hope your shift tomorrow goes well, and that you have a nice cool pillow tonight too.

Thanks you too

IsabellaVireauxLaurent · 16/05/2026 23:41

youalright · 16/05/2026 23:37

You sound just like Andy from devil wears prada. I hope your boss isn't like miranda 🤣

depends on her interaction with other managers then its keep busy while hearing those fucks, shits, fashion know it alls, who could not know a shoe from a boot etc that kind of thing

IsabellaVireauxLaurent · 16/05/2026 23:42

SpryTaupeTurtle · 16/05/2026 23:35

Some weird sci film. Project Hail Mary. My brother has seen it already. I personally want to see cartoons

that film has its funny moments overall its good, aparently the book is better

IsabellaVireauxLaurent · 16/05/2026 23:43

before we get 1000, its been good all and peace x

youalright · 16/05/2026 23:44

IsabellaVireauxLaurent · 16/05/2026 23:41

depends on her interaction with other managers then its keep busy while hearing those fucks, shits, fashion know it alls, who could not know a shoe from a boot etc that kind of thing

But can they tell the difference to two identical looking blue belts 🤣

youalright · 16/05/2026 23:45

Thats all folks

IsabellaVireauxLaurent · 16/05/2026 23:45

youalright · 16/05/2026 23:44

But can they tell the difference to two identical looking blue belts 🤣

jesus then your talking omg level conversations

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