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To wonder what else can be done to break the cycle of generations living off benefits?

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Allonthesametrain · 15/05/2026 22:25

Sounds harsh because It is. As a former teacher, then eduation social worker, now the past few years more heavily involved with school attendance.

My desire has always been to help children from unprivileged backgrounds to know their worth and achieve the best they can and this has been my career from age 23 to 57.

The number of times I've cried, torn my hair out, is immeasurable. I and colleagues have gone above and beyond to support the families, genuinely care about them, but unfortunately the outcome has been, as I've said in title, it's a continiation of the cycle of being brought up within a small community and low expectations.

So many gorgeous kids (supported throughout their young lives until they leave school) who tell you their dreams of what they want to to achieve in life, we do everything we can to enable it and some have indeed broken out of the circle but unfortunately the reality has been...

Parents who live lifestyles of no bedtime routine, tell their kids not to come back before ...pm, sleep in and don't get them out of bed ready and fed for school and as for weekends, pub and take back a new bloke

Parents who have issues themselves and project them onto DC. The kids soon realise they can stay off school for feigning illness and would actually be a comfort to Mum

The parents who just cba and say shall we just still in bed?

Of course there are so many other mitigating factors but these are the 3 main experiences we've dealt with. Unfortunately it really does come down to poor parenting and no matter what interventions we do to encourage attendance, only a minority are genuine.

So the cycle...DC think education isn't important, parents are hopeless role models and can often be aggressive to teachers, a deflection of blame.

Then oh DD gets pregnant at age 15, DS has been reprimanded by the police for scooting around in a balaclava. Then pure hostility when we try to continue to talk to them and what could be done to help.

Basically it's just such a shame, these sweet young kids who say they want to be ... become so influenced by their homelife, a need to fit in with their family and peers from the same estate, that they ignore the support we give them, don't turn up to appointments etc.

For the genuine cases, DC with SEN, the effort to try and ensure they are in best place is utmost and it's heartbreaking there aren't enough of them. Yes, we do know genuine cases and not just so many parents striving for a diagnosis because they feed DC a terrible diet and let them stay up late so are tired and irritable at school.

Expecting some backlash, whatever anyone says I can reason with.

OP posts:
IsabellaVireauxLaurent · 16/05/2026 22:02

SpryTaupeTurtle · 16/05/2026 21:58

Yeah. Workhouses where people were worked to death.

excatly, well society wants answers well maybe give the masses that then see how they think etc

Pinkypromise43 · 16/05/2026 22:02

XenoBitch · 16/05/2026 21:57

Yes, that always comes up.
I have never heard of insurance against having a child that is disabled from birth.

You most certainly get child critical illness that pays out on children disabled at birth. A very popular add on to adult critical illness insurance. Google it.

And yes, poster above, should certainly have had income protection insurance.

IsabellaVireauxLaurent · 16/05/2026 22:03

ForWittyTealOP · 16/05/2026 22:01

Yep. Conditions were so bad and cruel that they were an absolute last resort - and people in the 21st century think that is a good principle to apply to the modern welfare state! The more things change eh?

thats the thing society cannot have it both ways, either shut down the nhs and run it for profit, etc or accept we need the systems

XenoBitch · 16/05/2026 22:03

ForWittyTealOP · 16/05/2026 22:01

Yep. Conditions were so bad and cruel that they were an absolute last resort - and people in the 21st century think that is a good principle to apply to the modern welfare state! The more things change eh?

Yet I bet if they were made redundant and burned through their savings because they could not find another job, they would be suddenly retracting their statement about workhouses.

Meadowlands · 16/05/2026 22:04

YANBU

ForWittyTealOP · 16/05/2026 22:04

XenoBitch · 16/05/2026 21:59

The response to that (and I have seen it on here) is that they should have chosen better.

And had the gift of second sight... Like people who take PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY do!

MistressoftheDarkSide · 16/05/2026 22:05

ForWittyTealOP · 16/05/2026 22:04

And had the gift of second sight... Like people who take PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY do!

Not to mention.... RESILIENCE.....

SpryTaupeTurtle · 16/05/2026 22:05

Pinkypromise43 · 16/05/2026 22:02

You most certainly get child critical illness that pays out on children disabled at birth. A very popular add on to adult critical illness insurance. Google it.

And yes, poster above, should certainly have had income protection insurance.

I wasn't working when I broke my leg.

XenoBitch · 16/05/2026 22:08

MistressoftheDarkSide · 16/05/2026 22:05

Not to mention.... RESILIENCE.....

And... FAMILY. Because everyone has family that can afford to pay their bills for them when they are unemployed.

ForWittyTealOP · 16/05/2026 22:08

Pinkypromise43 · 16/05/2026 22:00

Yep that’s why the country is in the state it’s in.

Child poverty? Yes, it was allowed to grow unchecked, encouraged in fact. Now it's an almost impossible problem to solve. Still, if it brings you joy, it can't be all bad, right?

ForWittyTealOP · 16/05/2026 22:09

SpryTaupeTurtle · 16/05/2026 22:00

Oh come on. Don't you know all they need is a mop and bucket to wash windows?

They could become an au pair! Hi host family, where's the bedrooms for my 3 kids?

ForWittyTealOP · 16/05/2026 22:11

Pinkypromise43 · 16/05/2026 22:02

You most certainly get child critical illness that pays out on children disabled at birth. A very popular add on to adult critical illness insurance. Google it.

And yes, poster above, should certainly have had income protection insurance.

Disabled at birth. By the birth process. Not because they were born with a lifelong disability.

Surely at this point you are just having a laugh?

dreamiesformolly · 16/05/2026 22:11

SpryTaupeTurtle · 16/05/2026 21:58

Yeah. Workhouses where people were worked to death.

At this point in the thread I'm genuinely starting to think some people would be in favour of the workhouses being restored. I'm not even kidding.

ForWittyTealOP · 16/05/2026 22:12

MistressoftheDarkSide · 16/05/2026 22:05

Not to mention.... RESILIENCE.....

And you must be HARDWORKING. At all.times.

IsabellaVireauxLaurent · 16/05/2026 22:13

dreamiesformolly · 16/05/2026 22:11

At this point in the thread I'm genuinely starting to think some people would be in favour of the workhouses being restored. I'm not even kidding.

in many ways it may prove a point when those people who say oh just do x y z may think differently when their relatives or other people they know had to use the work houses etc

MistressoftheDarkSide · 16/05/2026 22:14

dreamiesformolly · 16/05/2026 22:11

At this point in the thread I'm genuinely starting to think some people would be in favour of the workhouses being restored. I'm not even kidding.

See also prison planets, penal colonies, secure asylums, chain gangs, hard labour, possibly slave labour, eugenics on a mass scale.... it's chilling....

IsabellaVireauxLaurent · 16/05/2026 22:14

right everyone if you truly think theres profit in the air and companies give a hoot about workers and would pay proper wages, then why not campaign for the return of closed cities basically an upscaled version of factories

XenoBitch · 16/05/2026 22:15

dreamiesformolly · 16/05/2026 22:11

At this point in the thread I'm genuinely starting to think some people would be in favour of the workhouses being restored. I'm not even kidding.

That is not the most batshit one I have seen, although there is a worrying number of posters that think it is a good idea.
One I saw on another thread was that wheelchair users and people who use mobility scooters should have to go to a park with a council worker twice per week, and be forced to walk unaided for 2 minutes. They seemed to think that they would all eventually be able to walk properly, and be able to get a job.
If they did not attend or try "hard enough", they would have their benefits cut.
And they were deadly serious too.

IsabellaVireauxLaurent · 16/05/2026 22:16

MistressoftheDarkSide · 16/05/2026 22:14

See also prison planets, penal colonies, secure asylums, chain gangs, hard labour, possibly slave labour, eugenics on a mass scale.... it's chilling....

but on the flip side once a person becomes a criminal and begins to get law after law broken why should they still be apart of modern society if they are given all help possible ?

Walkyrie · 16/05/2026 22:16

dreamiesformolly · 16/05/2026 22:11

At this point in the thread I'm genuinely starting to think some people would be in favour of the workhouses being restored. I'm not even kidding.

Getting boring now.

JudgeJ · 16/05/2026 22:17

Crispsandcola · 16/05/2026 00:33

Tax the rich, UBI and while we're at it abolish the monarchy

Ah, the simplistic 'solution', lets throw more money at those who chose to be idle, that'll encourage them to do better, won't it!

dreamiesformolly · 16/05/2026 22:19

IsabellaVireauxLaurent · 16/05/2026 22:13

in many ways it may prove a point when those people who say oh just do x y z may think differently when their relatives or other people they know had to use the work houses etc

I think I see your point there, given the way some have been spouting that all a person needs for success is a can-do attitude and shiny shoes. I'm not sure certain people have ever spent much time thinking about the true consequences of utter poverty - not doing without holidays or not putting the heating on, but having absolutely nothing. Not. A. Thing. Which is what would happen to many if some of the measures put forward on this thread were brought in. Maybe a few history lessons wouldn't go amiss...

XenoBitch · 16/05/2026 22:20

IsabellaVireauxLaurent · 16/05/2026 22:16

but on the flip side once a person becomes a criminal and begins to get law after law broken why should they still be apart of modern society if they are given all help possible ?

If they are given all help and still commit crime, then what do you do with them?

ForWittyTealOP · 16/05/2026 22:21

Walkyrie · 16/05/2026 22:16

Getting boring now.

As is your inability to answer the more challenging questions in favour of empty rhetoric.

IsabellaVireauxLaurent · 16/05/2026 22:22

XenoBitch · 16/05/2026 22:20

If they are given all help and still commit crime, then what do you do with them?

closed cities that focus on full education and rehabilitation and upskilling until they are suitable candidates to return to society

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