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To wonder what else can be done to break the cycle of generations living off benefits?

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Allonthesametrain · 15/05/2026 22:25

Sounds harsh because It is. As a former teacher, then eduation social worker, now the past few years more heavily involved with school attendance.

My desire has always been to help children from unprivileged backgrounds to know their worth and achieve the best they can and this has been my career from age 23 to 57.

The number of times I've cried, torn my hair out, is immeasurable. I and colleagues have gone above and beyond to support the families, genuinely care about them, but unfortunately the outcome has been, as I've said in title, it's a continiation of the cycle of being brought up within a small community and low expectations.

So many gorgeous kids (supported throughout their young lives until they leave school) who tell you their dreams of what they want to to achieve in life, we do everything we can to enable it and some have indeed broken out of the circle but unfortunately the reality has been...

Parents who live lifestyles of no bedtime routine, tell their kids not to come back before ...pm, sleep in and don't get them out of bed ready and fed for school and as for weekends, pub and take back a new bloke

Parents who have issues themselves and project them onto DC. The kids soon realise they can stay off school for feigning illness and would actually be a comfort to Mum

The parents who just cba and say shall we just still in bed?

Of course there are so many other mitigating factors but these are the 3 main experiences we've dealt with. Unfortunately it really does come down to poor parenting and no matter what interventions we do to encourage attendance, only a minority are genuine.

So the cycle...DC think education isn't important, parents are hopeless role models and can often be aggressive to teachers, a deflection of blame.

Then oh DD gets pregnant at age 15, DS has been reprimanded by the police for scooting around in a balaclava. Then pure hostility when we try to continue to talk to them and what could be done to help.

Basically it's just such a shame, these sweet young kids who say they want to be ... become so influenced by their homelife, a need to fit in with their family and peers from the same estate, that they ignore the support we give them, don't turn up to appointments etc.

For the genuine cases, DC with SEN, the effort to try and ensure they are in best place is utmost and it's heartbreaking there aren't enough of them. Yes, we do know genuine cases and not just so many parents striving for a diagnosis because they feed DC a terrible diet and let them stay up late so are tired and irritable at school.

Expecting some backlash, whatever anyone says I can reason with.

OP posts:
suburburban · 16/05/2026 21:48

Converse4Ever · 16/05/2026 21:45

I think we are also suffering from this obsession with one size fits all education.
when I was at school we were streamed and the lower band did some GCSEs and some vocational training. Now everyone has to do a full timetable of GCSEs, the kids are disengaged and disruptive.

I was glad that my dc went to a school where they were streamed for this reason

SpryTaupeTurtle · 16/05/2026 21:49

Pinkypromise43 · 16/05/2026 21:47

Because it’s Labour and they’ve always believed in the magic money tree for the cant be helped

That's not true. They were pressured into lifting it. They initially weren't going to. By the way there are people who work who get Uc and get child element. Some people are also benefit capped. I personally think that it's better the cap being lifted than women having to prove they were raped to get child element for the third child

suburburban · 16/05/2026 21:50

ForWittyTealOP · 16/05/2026 21:48

Another fan of child poverty! You are swimming against the tide.

Or taking responsibility for not having dc you can’t afford

ForWittyTealOP · 16/05/2026 21:50

SpryTaupeTurtle · 16/05/2026 21:49

That's not true. They were pressured into lifting it. They initially weren't going to. By the way there are people who work who get Uc and get child element. Some people are also benefit capped. I personally think that it's better the cap being lifted than women having to prove they were raped to get child element for the third child

And if they were raped by a partner who still lived with them - no money!

People actually advocate for this level of cruelty. 🤷‍♀️

SpryTaupeTurtle · 16/05/2026 21:50

Pinkypromise43 · 16/05/2026 21:47

Because it’s Labour and they’ve always believed in the magic money tree for the cant be helped

If that's the case then why have Labour cut lcwra for under 25s and why were they going to make it more difficult for people to get Pip?

ForWittyTealOP · 16/05/2026 21:51

suburburban · 16/05/2026 21:50

Or taking responsibility for not having dc you can’t afford

Or child poverty because aside from your moralising, that was the documented outcome of the two child benefit cap.

Child poverty is a violation of human rights. Why are you arguing in favour of it?

XenoBitch · 16/05/2026 21:52

suburburban · 16/05/2026 21:50

Or taking responsibility for not having dc you can’t afford

Ok, so single mum's on benefits have always been single. Just duped a man into being a sperm donor for the sweet £££.

Or in real life... relationships break down, partners are abusive, partners die, partners get ill etc etc. Life can change in a heartbeat.

SpryTaupeTurtle · 16/05/2026 21:52

suburburban · 16/05/2026 21:50

Or taking responsibility for not having dc you can’t afford

Again you do know that some people get UC if they or a partner work full time depending on how much they pay in rent or if they children have disabilities

SpryTaupeTurtle · 16/05/2026 21:54

I think it's quite clear the level of disgust that some people on here have against people with disabilities people who are single mums on benefits and people on benefits full stop.

XenoBitch · 16/05/2026 21:55

SpryTaupeTurtle · 16/05/2026 21:54

I think it's quite clear the level of disgust that some people on here have against people with disabilities people who are single mums on benefits and people on benefits full stop.

It is really sad. They could end up joining the ranks of the UC claimants at any time.

ForWittyTealOP · 16/05/2026 21:56

XenoBitch · 16/05/2026 21:55

It is really sad. They could end up joining the ranks of the UC claimants at any time.

Oh I think you'll find they have insurance for that. 🤣

SpryTaupeTurtle · 16/05/2026 21:56

XenoBitch · 16/05/2026 21:55

It is really sad. They could end up joining the ranks of the UC claimants at any time.

A friend of mines husband works full time. They get UC because they have three disabled kids

IsabellaVireauxLaurent · 16/05/2026 21:57

ForWittyTealOP · 16/05/2026 21:17

What happens if we choose not to afford the welfare state?

What do you understand by "the welfare state".

Bear in mind that you advocated cutting the welfare state earlier in the thread.

thats an easy answer, remember the Victorian era well society gets that

SpryTaupeTurtle · 16/05/2026 21:57

ForWittyTealOP · 16/05/2026 21:56

Oh I think you'll find they have insurance for that. 🤣

Like the insurance someone on mumsnet told me I should have had when I broke my leg?

XenoBitch · 16/05/2026 21:57

ForWittyTealOP · 16/05/2026 21:56

Oh I think you'll find they have insurance for that. 🤣

Yes, that always comes up.
I have never heard of insurance against having a child that is disabled from birth.

ForWittyTealOP · 16/05/2026 21:57

SpryTaupeTurtle · 16/05/2026 21:57

Like the insurance someone on mumsnet told me I should have had when I broke my leg?

That's the one!

SpryTaupeTurtle · 16/05/2026 21:58

IsabellaVireauxLaurent · 16/05/2026 21:57

thats an easy answer, remember the Victorian era well society gets that

Yeah. Workhouses where people were worked to death.

ForWittyTealOP · 16/05/2026 21:58

XenoBitch · 16/05/2026 21:57

Yes, that always comes up.
I have never heard of insurance against having a child that is disabled from birth.

Or the famous "your husband has left you holding the baby" insurance.

XenoBitch · 16/05/2026 21:58

SpryTaupeTurtle · 16/05/2026 21:57

Like the insurance someone on mumsnet told me I should have had when I broke my leg?

Oh, I bet you will get told it was your fault for having legs anyway.

XenoBitch · 16/05/2026 21:59

ForWittyTealOP · 16/05/2026 21:58

Or the famous "your husband has left you holding the baby" insurance.

The response to that (and I have seen it on here) is that they should have chosen better.

SpryTaupeTurtle · 16/05/2026 21:59

XenoBitch · 16/05/2026 21:58

Oh, I bet you will get told it was your fault for having legs anyway.

Pmsl. Not quite but surprised someone didn't say it

Pinkypromise43 · 16/05/2026 22:00

ForWittyTealOP · 16/05/2026 21:48

Another fan of child poverty! You are swimming against the tide.

Yep that’s why the country is in the state it’s in.

SpryTaupeTurtle · 16/05/2026 22:00

ForWittyTealOP · 16/05/2026 21:58

Or the famous "your husband has left you holding the baby" insurance.

Oh come on. Don't you know all they need is a mop and bucket to wash windows?

SpryTaupeTurtle · 16/05/2026 22:01

Pinkypromise43 · 16/05/2026 22:00

Yep that’s why the country is in the state it’s in.

It's actually not. Most of welfare spending goes on pensions

ForWittyTealOP · 16/05/2026 22:01

SpryTaupeTurtle · 16/05/2026 21:58

Yeah. Workhouses where people were worked to death.

Yep. Conditions were so bad and cruel that they were an absolute last resort - and people in the 21st century think that is a good principle to apply to the modern welfare state! The more things change eh?

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