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To wonder what else can be done to break the cycle of generations living off benefits?

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Allonthesametrain · 15/05/2026 22:25

Sounds harsh because It is. As a former teacher, then eduation social worker, now the past few years more heavily involved with school attendance.

My desire has always been to help children from unprivileged backgrounds to know their worth and achieve the best they can and this has been my career from age 23 to 57.

The number of times I've cried, torn my hair out, is immeasurable. I and colleagues have gone above and beyond to support the families, genuinely care about them, but unfortunately the outcome has been, as I've said in title, it's a continiation of the cycle of being brought up within a small community and low expectations.

So many gorgeous kids (supported throughout their young lives until they leave school) who tell you their dreams of what they want to to achieve in life, we do everything we can to enable it and some have indeed broken out of the circle but unfortunately the reality has been...

Parents who live lifestyles of no bedtime routine, tell their kids not to come back before ...pm, sleep in and don't get them out of bed ready and fed for school and as for weekends, pub and take back a new bloke

Parents who have issues themselves and project them onto DC. The kids soon realise they can stay off school for feigning illness and would actually be a comfort to Mum

The parents who just cba and say shall we just still in bed?

Of course there are so many other mitigating factors but these are the 3 main experiences we've dealt with. Unfortunately it really does come down to poor parenting and no matter what interventions we do to encourage attendance, only a minority are genuine.

So the cycle...DC think education isn't important, parents are hopeless role models and can often be aggressive to teachers, a deflection of blame.

Then oh DD gets pregnant at age 15, DS has been reprimanded by the police for scooting around in a balaclava. Then pure hostility when we try to continue to talk to them and what could be done to help.

Basically it's just such a shame, these sweet young kids who say they want to be ... become so influenced by their homelife, a need to fit in with their family and peers from the same estate, that they ignore the support we give them, don't turn up to appointments etc.

For the genuine cases, DC with SEN, the effort to try and ensure they are in best place is utmost and it's heartbreaking there aren't enough of them. Yes, we do know genuine cases and not just so many parents striving for a diagnosis because they feed DC a terrible diet and let them stay up late so are tired and irritable at school.

Expecting some backlash, whatever anyone says I can reason with.

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BuildbyNumbere · 16/05/2026 18:51

XenoBitch · 16/05/2026 18:49

You need money for cleaning supplies. Maybe even a car.
I would not be having an unknown person in my home. I would want someone already established and has reviews and a good reputation.

Everyone has to start somewhere and most cleaners allow for the cost of cleaning supplies in their rate.

youalright · 16/05/2026 18:51

Pinkypromise43 · 16/05/2026 18:25

That’s sheer nonsense. You only need to search for a cleaner, garden maintenance person, childminder etc and you see how few there are. Why is everyone looking for a ‘job’ - just go and advertise for work for heavens sake. I’m willing to bet I could fill my diary as a cleaner or weeder or babysitter within the week.

I don't know where you live but if anyone asks for cleaners or gardener, handyman, painters and decorators on local Facebook groups absolutely loads get mentioned. Thats the reality of living in a poor area loads of people trying to make money but nobody can afford to use them

SpryTaupeTurtle · 16/05/2026 18:52

BuildbyNumbere · 16/05/2026 18:49

Yes … called self assessment

Did you not read my post where I said I was a sole trader for a decade. Quite aware of what self assessment is

XenoBitch · 16/05/2026 18:52

Pinkypromise43 · 16/05/2026 18:50

Because it’s dependency and any dependency is hard to break. You don’t have the fire in you because you know you have money coming in. So the incentive is there to go easy, take a morning off etc. You need to be all in to build a successful business. I myself would rather clean toilets than accept hand outs for this very reason. And I’ve done some terrible jobs in my time!

Have a look at what UC actually pays. Especially for a single person under 25 with no kids. No one is going to be dependant on that.

BuildbyNumbere · 16/05/2026 18:53

SpryTaupeTurtle · 16/05/2026 18:52

Did you not read my post where I said I was a sole trader for a decade. Quite aware of what self assessment is

So what’s the argument then?

XenoBitch · 16/05/2026 18:53

BuildbyNumbere · 16/05/2026 18:51

Everyone has to start somewhere and most cleaners allow for the cost of cleaning supplies in their rate.

How do you start a business with no money?

BuildbyNumbere · 16/05/2026 18:54

XenoBitch · 16/05/2026 18:52

Have a look at what UC actually pays. Especially for a single person under 25 with no kids. No one is going to be dependant on that.

At under 25 with no kids … you should be WORKING

SpryTaupeTurtle · 16/05/2026 18:54

youalright · 16/05/2026 18:51

I don't know where you live but if anyone asks for cleaners or gardener, handyman, painters and decorators on local Facebook groups absolutely loads get mentioned. Thats the reality of living in a poor area loads of people trying to make money but nobody can afford to use them

Edited

When I needed a gardener a few years ago I couldn't get one. Not because there weren't any. They just didn't want the work. (the length of my grass was waist high when I moved in during lockdown just in case there are comments of why I didn't do it myself).

XenoBitch · 16/05/2026 18:54

youalright · 16/05/2026 18:51

I don't know where you live but if anyone asks for cleaners or gardener, handyman, painters and decorators on local Facebook groups absolutely loads get mentioned. Thats the reality of living in a poor area loads of people trying to make money but nobody can afford to use them

Edited

It is the same on my local FB pages too. There is no shortage of cleaners at all.

youalright · 16/05/2026 18:55

Pinkypromise43 · 16/05/2026 18:50

Because it’s dependency and any dependency is hard to break. You don’t have the fire in you because you know you have money coming in. So the incentive is there to go easy, take a morning off etc. You need to be all in to build a successful business. I myself would rather clean toilets than accept hand outs for this very reason. And I’ve done some terrible jobs in my time!

You still don't seem to understand after being told multiple times that the majority of people on benefits are either working, disabled or carers. Not everyone can work. If people stopped doing minimum wage jobs the country would collapse. If carers stopped caring and got a full time job it would cost the country a fortune. What are you struggling to understand?

BuildbyNumbere · 16/05/2026 18:55

XenoBitch · 16/05/2026 18:53

How do you start a business with no money?

What money do you need? Advertise on Facebook for FREE! Get cleaning supplies from B&M or ask customer to supply?!? Use customer hoover, or your own ad I’m sure you have one … it can be done. Just excuses why you can’t.

XenoBitch · 16/05/2026 18:55

BuildbyNumbere · 16/05/2026 18:54

At under 25 with no kids … you should be WORKING

And what do they live on whilst looking for work?

SpryTaupeTurtle · 16/05/2026 18:55

BuildbyNumbere · 16/05/2026 18:53

So what’s the argument then?

I wasn't arguing. Cheers

youalright · 16/05/2026 18:56

SpryTaupeTurtle · 16/05/2026 18:54

When I needed a gardener a few years ago I couldn't get one. Not because there weren't any. They just didn't want the work. (the length of my grass was waist high when I moved in during lockdown just in case there are comments of why I didn't do it myself).

If you lived where I live they would be biting your hand off.

Badbadbunny · 16/05/2026 18:56

XenoBitch · 16/05/2026 18:53

How do you start a business with no money?

You start a "labour only" one such as cleaning, car washing, ironing, taking in washing, going shopping for people, personal admin, etc. You just charge a lower hourly rate if you need to use the customer's own equipment rather than your own until you earn enough to buy your own. It's called "boot-strapping". Put cards in local shop windows and put posts on your local Facebook pages.

XenoBitch · 16/05/2026 18:56

BuildbyNumbere · 16/05/2026 18:55

What money do you need? Advertise on Facebook for FREE! Get cleaning supplies from B&M or ask customer to supply?!? Use customer hoover, or your own ad I’m sure you have one … it can be done. Just excuses why you can’t.

I would not be employing the services of a cleaner with no reviews and no equipment.

SpryTaupeTurtle · 16/05/2026 18:57

BuildbyNumbere · 16/05/2026 18:55

What money do you need? Advertise on Facebook for FREE! Get cleaning supplies from B&M or ask customer to supply?!? Use customer hoover, or your own ad I’m sure you have one … it can be done. Just excuses why you can’t.

Why should unemployed people be cleaners just to suit some people on mumsnet?

youalright · 16/05/2026 18:57

BuildbyNumbere · 16/05/2026 18:55

What money do you need? Advertise on Facebook for FREE! Get cleaning supplies from B&M or ask customer to supply?!? Use customer hoover, or your own ad I’m sure you have one … it can be done. Just excuses why you can’t.

Surely you need insurance and transport ect

BuildbyNumbere · 16/05/2026 18:58

SpryTaupeTurtle · 16/05/2026 18:57

Why should unemployed people be cleaners just to suit some people on mumsnet?

It’s an example … and yes, if that’s all you can do. Get off your arse and work for a living.

Badbadbunny · 16/05/2026 18:58

SpryTaupeTurtle · 16/05/2026 18:57

Why should unemployed people be cleaners just to suit some people on mumsnet?

You "START" by doing menial work which then gets you some money to save to buy goods/equipment to do higher paid work or for training/courses to upskill yourself. Just because you're a cleaner on day one doesn't mean you have to be a cleaner on day 100!

SpryTaupeTurtle · 16/05/2026 18:58

youalright · 16/05/2026 18:57

Surely you need insurance and transport ect

I would say so.

BuildbyNumbere · 16/05/2026 18:58

XenoBitch · 16/05/2026 18:56

I would not be employing the services of a cleaner with no reviews and no equipment.

how would you know they don’t have equipment?

XenoBitch · 16/05/2026 18:59

youalright · 16/05/2026 18:57

Surely you need insurance and transport ect

Yes you do. You need PLI.

The fact some people think you can buy a brush and bottle of bleach from B&M, and be making £100s per week from day one is ridiculous.

BuildbyNumbere · 16/05/2026 18:59

Badbadbunny · 16/05/2026 18:58

You "START" by doing menial work which then gets you some money to save to buy goods/equipment to do higher paid work or for training/courses to upskill yourself. Just because you're a cleaner on day one doesn't mean you have to be a cleaner on day 100!

The lazy mentally of people is astounding

SpryTaupeTurtle · 16/05/2026 18:59

Badbadbunny · 16/05/2026 18:58

You "START" by doing menial work which then gets you some money to save to buy goods/equipment to do higher paid work or for training/courses to upskill yourself. Just because you're a cleaner on day one doesn't mean you have to be a cleaner on day 100!

See with respect. I've done plenty of crap paid zero hours jobs. You really don't need to tell me about what people should or should not be doing

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