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to stop extra flexibility after my manager imposed office hours?

584 replies

LouuLou · 15/05/2026 13:02

I work in a small office team of five people. I’m the only full-time member of staff, everyone else is part time. We had a new manager start last year and honestly, up until now, things have been really good. We get on well, I like his management style and he has always said he cared more about people getting the work done than clock-watching.

I work very hard. I consistently hit targets, usually go beyond what is expected, and I won an achievement award last month. I also work very flexibly. I regularly start work at 7am, answer emails early, and will often still be available after 6pm. I usually work through lunch too. That flexibility has suited both the organisation and me because it means things get done quickly and I can also fit other parts of life around work. It is one of the things I am regularly complimented on - how quick I get tasks done.

Out of nowhere, he has now announced that I have to be physically in the office 9–5 three days a week. No actual problem has been identified, no concerns raised about my performance, no suggestion that work isn’t getting done. The explanation was basically that he “wants to try something different”.

Fine. He is the manager and he is entitled to set office hours if he wants to. I’m not arguing with that part.

But my feeling is that if he now wants strict contracted hours and presenteeism, then that is exactly what he will get. I no longer see the point in starting at 7am, replying to messages before work, being available into the evening or working through lunch. I’m planning to work my contracted hours, take a proper hour lunch break and log off at the end of the day.

I know this will reduce the amount I actually get done overall. But another part of me thinks flexibility works both ways. If management removes trust and autonomy, they can’t really expect staff to continue giving unpaid goodwill on top.

OP posts:
Anonanonanonagain · 15/05/2026 17:56

For anyone wondering how it is quicker from home well that is easy - nobody around to distract you, nobody popping in and out of the office, nobody muttering under their breath confusing you or taking your concentration away. I find I am far more productive when I am at home rather than office based.

HokeyPokemon · 15/05/2026 17:57

I hear you OP.
I’ve been told I am the most flexible, multi skilled person on my team. I work really hard.

Other people who do very little, and are off sick a lot, have had their flexible work requests approved and mine declined.

I’ve just put in another one and if it’s declined I’m just going to pull back and do no more than I need to.

FancyBiscuitsLevel · 15/05/2026 17:57

LouuLou · 15/05/2026 17:24

He has noticed enough so far to regularly comment on my efficiency and praise me. He will notice the extra work he has to do 😂

But that’s the point - you aren’t more efficient, it only looks that way because you are doing the working hours of 6 days a week while
being paid for 5.

You’ve said you are routinely doing 6-10 hours unpaid overtime, this is why you appear to be more efficient, but you’re not, you’re just working longer hours, that’s not being efficient. Being efficient would be being able to get the same workload done in just your paid hours.

If this change means you are going to be forced into just working your paid time, this could be good for you and the company long term, they clearly need more capacity in your team. You are masking that by doing an extra day for free and pretending that it’s just you’re quicker than everyone else at completing the work.

Pinribbons · 15/05/2026 17:58

You work across different time zones but didn't mention that in an OP about your working hours.....?

WimbyAce · 15/05/2026 18:00

Sorry OP but you sound a bit of a suck. Why are you starting at 7am, working through lunch and available after 6pm?! Madness!

Foodgloriousfoodie · 15/05/2026 18:02

LouuLou · 15/05/2026 17:49

He is the one who valued my quick responsiveness and out of hours work and said so many times. If he doesn't value it then no problem. I will stop and he can do it instead.

Find out first

say you want to be clear so can he tell you why the change

Jimmyneutronsforehead · 15/05/2026 18:02

LouuLou · 15/05/2026 16:49

He should just say so instead of praising me and saying I showed initiative in doing so.

I won't be doing it anymore from now on.

The company needs to see how the business will run without your additional initiative.

Whatever metrics your organisation uses to measure performance will be being skewed by your unpaid overtime.

As mentioned in my previous post this change doesn't mean you're not appreciated, but there are a number of very good, legitimate business reasons why this change is being brought into force and it is majoritively to protect staff.

MikeRafone · 15/05/2026 18:03

LouuLou · 15/05/2026 14:24

He has always complimented me that I get stuff done quickly and our of hours and how it reduces his workload.

If this is no longer happening, it means he has to pick up instead.

It is so short sighted

whilst you can sit and have breakfast and crack on with the tasks, you'll now be having breakfast and not working then commuting to work - I hope you don't get hit with you're less efficient. due to not wanting to work in the office. Hopefully you'll be able to get in first with how much this has changed for the better working in the office and having a more ridged time frame so you don't always feel like you're working, as you used to get cracking over breakfast when you wfh

JoanOgden · 15/05/2026 18:04

Agree with everyone else that you shouldn't be working long hours as a matter of course.

How often do you go into the office now, and how long is your commute? I don't understand why your boss wants you to go in more if no one else will be in the office. Will he even check?

Fluffypuppy1 · 15/05/2026 18:04

LouuLou · 15/05/2026 16:49

He should just say so instead of praising me and saying I showed initiative in doing so.

I won't be doing it anymore from now on.

I think he’s being diplomatic. He could have said “please don’t do my work”, or “please just do a normal amount of working hours” which could make things very awkward between you. Instead, he’s praised you and given you an award, which you do seem very pleased about. And now he’s asking you to just do a normal 9 to 5, which is mostly likely what he would prefer.

DoYouLikeYourNaneFred · 15/05/2026 18:07

@LouuLou

i admire your ability not to react to some of the ridiculous & rude posts 🌷

A perfect example of FAFO!!

it's a shame it's spoiling the arrangement but he's about to find out what he's brought upon himself.

Have you considered being a self employed PA? It pays quite well, especially for people who are prepared to work non standard hours for international clients.

Foodgloriousfoodie · 15/05/2026 18:07

OP Did you say you got this award 5 years on the run?

LouuLou · 15/05/2026 18:09

Fairyliz · 15/05/2026 17:56

But if you have as you say always solved the problems before he starts how do you know he will be annoyed if they are done later? Or are you making assumptions about him on little evidence?

He told me he likes things done quickly and how I deal with things before he starts work. He has commented many times. The staff who work part time do not do that and it annoys him.

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MaryTheMagical · 15/05/2026 18:10

People seem to be determined to misunderstand the OP .

”Getting things done quickly” - it will appear to be done quickly if her task is done by 9.am - many jobs work in a way where one person starts a task, next person checks it, next person actions it, back to first person to document its complete. If person 1 starts at 7am it means person 2 can do their bit sooner. Rather than person 2 waiting. So it feels “quicker”.

Also if OP works with other timezones there can be a real lag - eg France sends input/request at 7.30am BST (many Europeans start office jobs at 8am CET). London office doesn’t even read it until 9.15 so that’s a real delay of 1hr 45 mins.

Then if it’s a big job, London office might not finish until after 4pm by which time Europe office went home.

And then the Americans wake up and by the time they’re on top of emails it’s often 3pm before they start asking for stuff.

I got an email at 16.55 pm asking for some urgent work today. If I was a 9-5 person it would have stopped the entire global company from submitting its annual insurance quote request, deadline today.

LouuLou · 15/05/2026 18:11

DoYouLikeYourNaneFred · 15/05/2026 18:07

@LouuLou

i admire your ability not to react to some of the ridiculous & rude posts 🌷

A perfect example of FAFO!!

it's a shame it's spoiling the arrangement but he's about to find out what he's brought upon himself.

Have you considered being a self employed PA? It pays quite well, especially for people who are prepared to work non standard hours for international clients.

Thank you.

Some of the stuff people are saying is ridiculous!!!

I do think he is spoiling an arrangement that has worked well but I will try his new way and let him find out.

Thank you for the idea. I haven't considered that but it is something I will look into ❤

OP posts:
LouuLou · 15/05/2026 18:12

Fluffypuppy1 · 15/05/2026 18:04

I think he’s being diplomatic. He could have said “please don’t do my work”, or “please just do a normal amount of working hours” which could make things very awkward between you. Instead, he’s praised you and given you an award, which you do seem very pleased about. And now he’s asking you to just do a normal 9 to 5, which is mostly likely what he would prefer.

If that is what he prefers that is what he will get. Things will be slower but that is what he wants so i will go along with that.

OP posts:
GrumpyButOk · 15/05/2026 18:13

There are one or two posters who are coming across as jealous and resentful of you OP.

When your employer implements a "work to fixed hours" policy, you have to be careful that you don't end up travelling into the office for the fixed hours whilst still trying to maintain your previous work rate and output, inevitably, by working even longer hours than before. I think it's reasonable to match your employer's flexibility, whatever that may be. I would however have another conversation with your manager just to highlight your concerns that either more of the workload will need to shift to someone else out of hours, or the work will be done, but only during the fixed office hours.

LouuLou · 15/05/2026 18:14

JoanOgden · 15/05/2026 18:04

Agree with everyone else that you shouldn't be working long hours as a matter of course.

How often do you go into the office now, and how long is your commute? I don't understand why your boss wants you to go in more if no one else will be in the office. Will he even check?

Currently I go in once a week. Commute is 40 minutes.

Most of the time no one is there. He is likely to pop in so I will be there.

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MummyJ36 · 15/05/2026 18:15

OP I would take a step back and just do your contracted hours. People may be grateful that you do extra hours but in all honestly, all of us are disposable, from intern to CEO. It is truly not worth taking on extra unpaid hours for the sake of a pat on the back or an achievement award. It’s nice in the moment but it means nothing in the long term.

Studyunder · 15/05/2026 18:25

You’ll now be commuting to and from work, so of course you’re not available any more

Scout2016 · 15/05/2026 18:39

I was with you until you said you are working 6-10 hours extra a week. If the job can't be done in work hours there is a problem. If you are doing what sounds like it might be other people's work then stop it.

Is it possible someone higher up has told him to stop you doing extra hours? Or someone has complained.

For example if you won an award for your work and worked extra hours, and I can't work extra hours so will never be able to compete, could I argue it's unfair?
Or might someone senior or in HR say it's not a great look to have emails answered at 7am or they've seen you answering emails in ASDA at 10am?

Foodgloriousfoodie · 15/05/2026 18:41

MaryTheMagical · 15/05/2026 18:10

People seem to be determined to misunderstand the OP .

”Getting things done quickly” - it will appear to be done quickly if her task is done by 9.am - many jobs work in a way where one person starts a task, next person checks it, next person actions it, back to first person to document its complete. If person 1 starts at 7am it means person 2 can do their bit sooner. Rather than person 2 waiting. So it feels “quicker”.

Also if OP works with other timezones there can be a real lag - eg France sends input/request at 7.30am BST (many Europeans start office jobs at 8am CET). London office doesn’t even read it until 9.15 so that’s a real delay of 1hr 45 mins.

Then if it’s a big job, London office might not finish until after 4pm by which time Europe office went home.

And then the Americans wake up and by the time they’re on top of emails it’s often 3pm before they start asking for stuff.

I got an email at 16.55 pm asking for some urgent work today. If I was a 9-5 person it would have stopped the entire global company from submitting its annual insurance quote request, deadline today.

That just sounds disorganised

companies have ways of working globally - the don’t need superhero OP to give a day of her time free every week - not good business plan

Foodgloriousfoodie · 15/05/2026 18:42

Scout2016 · 15/05/2026 18:39

I was with you until you said you are working 6-10 hours extra a week. If the job can't be done in work hours there is a problem. If you are doing what sounds like it might be other people's work then stop it.

Is it possible someone higher up has told him to stop you doing extra hours? Or someone has complained.

For example if you won an award for your work and worked extra hours, and I can't work extra hours so will never be able to compete, could I argue it's unfair?
Or might someone senior or in HR say it's not a great look to have emails answered at 7am or they've seen you answering emails in ASDA at 10am?

She’s had the award 5 years on the trot

by doing extra day free every week - I agree - stops anyone else having a chance - and there is a cash incentive apparently

PinkFrogss · 15/05/2026 18:45

What happens when you go on leave (particularly for a week or more) and there’s no early responses etc. Does it cause any issues?

LiquoriceAllsorts2 · 15/05/2026 18:46

To be fair, you sound like you are annoying to work with. It’s either fully your way or you want him to suffer.

why not see if there’s a way to make it work.

How often have you actually been doing in to the office?