AIBU to think this quote sums up Tommy Robinson and his supporters?

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The quote is taken from the British philosopher Bertrand Russell's essay on Fascim in 1940,

"The first step in a fascist movement is the combination under an energetic leader of a number of men who possess more than the average share of leisure, brutality, and stupidity. The next step is to fascinate fools and muzzle the intelligent, by emotional excitement on the one hand and terrorism on the other."

To me it sums them up, but it sums up a lot of the far right in general. The same could be said about Farage and many of his supporters too.

Well a man walking around with fake boobs doesn’t actually affect anyone except for him, so why is Mumsnet up in arms about it? I could wear fake wings or a tail and it wouldn’t be anyone’s business but mine. The anti-trans lobby on here is ruining every thread lately. Trans people exist, they have always existed and most of them only want to do just that…exist. There’s no sinister plot to remove women’s rights and the fact that people have been fooled into thinking trans people are the enemy is a travesty. Maybe look up and see who is actually destroying your rights…you might see that it’s the political elite, billionaires and wankers like Farage you need to be worried about. You may also notice that these are the same people who are telling you to fear and diminish trans people. Funny, that.

Agree, no matter how many times attempts are made to gaslight them into believing a lot of Jews attend the hate marches. I find that tactic actually the worst.

Yes the billionaires did things like fund the Dentons document that advised hiding changes to the law in with other more 'progressive' laws. Hence Australian men now being women if they wear v necks.

You really need to keep up.

You really have no idea what you are talking about do you?

Trans people have always existed in the same way people who believe they are visited by spirits or see the Virgin Mary in a slice of toast or can dream the future or have an animal's spirit have always existed. Because these ae very obvious things for people to believe in.

Doesn't make their beliefs an actually true thing though.

Take away his stolen word "woman" and explain to me exactly how a trans woman is more like me than any other man, so like me that I should be happy to share spaces, rights and protections with me that other men are banned from, or to have him speak for me "as a woman" when I would not accept that type of boring casual sexism that from any other man.

Women's rights only exist because of the needs and history of female people. Taking them and given them to men to enhance their feeling of being a "real actual" woman, and justifying that by saying he is a "woman" too, only works if you literally write the fact of femaleness out of the meaning of "woman".

It makes a mockery of the entire reason women's rights and protections, women's liberation and feminism, even came to exist in the first place.

It's not just sexist and regressive, it's so very very very tedious as well. Same old sexism with a 21st century retread.

Out of interest, would you be all "doesn't actually affect anyone except him, so why is Mumsnet up in arms about it, I could wear fake wings or a tail an it wouldn't be anyone's business except mine" if instead of wearing a sexist outfit he was wearing a racist one? A far right symbol on his T shirt, or a comedy afro wig - would they be ok?

Just wondering how committed you are to this whole "meh, what someone else wears isn't a problem" thing... have you the courage of your convinctions, or is it only women who should smile and ignore people enjoying parodying, insulting or sterotyping us? Is it just different when it's women?

Of course you can be gender critical and left wing. People's views and beliefs are nuanced. If you subscribe to every tenet of a political party, you probably need to do a bit more thinking. It's okay to have views and beliefs which cross the political spectrum depending on the issue. You can't hold people to a purity test and say if you don't agree with everything we do, you're banished. If someone dehumamises trans people or any person for that matter, they deserve to be given short shrift. However, you cannot force people to believe that someone has changed their sex. Providing they treat trans people with kindness and decency, I don't think it's acceptable to ostracise others. Do as you would be done by!

The difference is that your examples are actually hurtful. A trans woman walking around with a set of cosmetic breasts is that person's genuine expression of their identity and not at all analogous to wearing an afro which is both racist stereotyping and cultural appropriation.

Are you quite alright?

A 'genuine expression' of what, Kenny Everett?

I appreciate you aren't for real, because no one could be that unaware of the history of female people.

However, this is still worth saying.

As a female person, I do find fake breasts hurtful, sexist stereotyping and cultural appropriation.

The female half of the species has been objectified, marginaised, exploited and at times literally trafficked and sold. We have at different times and places been banned from voting, from earning a living, from owning property, from public office, from parental rights over our children. There are over a million women missing today from the human population - women who should be alive but are not because of sex selective abortion, domestic and stranger violence, poverty, and simple lack of caring.

We, the female half of the species, have every much as moral cause and right to object to men paradoying our bodies with no fucking idea whatsoever of what it is like to live in the world in that body for real as Black people have moral cause and right to object to white people parodying their hair or skin with no fucking idea what is is to live in the world (the white dominated parts of it anyway) as Black.

You know it and I know it.

You are just too scared to admit what you know, because it means facing what your "side" really think of women.

This post means you can't any longer pretend you don't understand. It's here for everyone to see. Do better.

Oh that's alright then.

Gosh imagine how many men would be dead if women stabbed to death every man who sexually abused, assaulted or even raped them?

Even when these situations get to court women are told they invited or deserved it.

100% also applies to The Greens. My own cousin refuses to talk to the majority of the family because we dared to question some of the utter tosh she/he /them/whatever was talking about.

Personally, I have had enough. I’m sick to death of the woe is me, everyone is a victim bullshit.

conveniently leaving out the fact that the Sikh man had said that the person had racially abused them prior to the altercation.

Probably because in the recording of the incident he didn’t racially abuse the Sikh guy.

I’m not sure why you are concerned about that claim anyway - are you suggesting that people who say racist things can legitimately be stabbed to death?

This is definitely justification to revoke the special privilege afforded to Sikhs to allow them to carry a knife in public. No one should be allowed to carry a knife.

It's a religious exemption, it's not a special privilege. Don't be prejudice it doesn't make you look good.

And all I'm saying is that the alleged racial abuse is a lot of context that the online right left out of the conversation in order to make the situation look a lot worse than it was. And now it has them all frothing at the mouth and claiming to be victimised by the 'woke establishment'. Twitter needs to be shut down before it makes things worse seriously.

It doesn't matter one dot what the 18 year old victim did or did not say. An unarmed kid was stabbed to death. It doesn't get any worse than that. Even if he did use racist language (video evidence does not shown he did) that doesn't make it less of a story. You remind me of Starmer policing people's genuine outrage and accusing them of being bigoted. All the while ignoring the horrendous crime committed.

I know very well what I'm talking about, thank you. I think you are the one who needs a bit of guidance because you seem to believe that there's no such thing as a transgender person, when there is clear evidence, anecdotal and scientific, that they exist. But I'm sure you get some kind of power trip out of denying their existence, so I'm happy for you.

If someone was wearing a far right symbol - I assume you mean a swastika or similar - they'd likely have chosen that specifically to appear threatening. I don't see how fake boobs can possibly be threatening.

That is because you have very little understanding of this topic.

Do you even know who PP are referring to?

What exactly do you think transgender person is? Do you really believe that somehow a man's mind ended up in a woman's body, or vice versa?

Do you actually think the thing that makes men men and women wonen is our minds rather than our bodies? Can you not see how utterly sexist that is, to think some ways of thinking are right for women and some aren't?

As I said already in a post I suspect was a bit too long and complicated for you, female people exist and we matter as well.

We are not just whatever it is that trans women think makes them "women".

So while I'm sure whatever that "womanny" thing they feel is is very real to them, it has the square root of fuck all to do with actually being female, and so it is utterly sexist to lump us together with them, destroying our rights, our political voice and even our history in the process, simply because a bunch of sexist blokes believe they feel "like women".

I really detest this deferral-of-blame kind of statement that I see all the time from right-wingers. It’s the same as when children are caught doing something wrong. “I only ate the cake because he took it!” No, you’re a right-winger because you are attracted to right-wing policies and ideology. It’s much better to admit as such rather than write statements like the above. And what does “a generation of communism” refer to? Are the Tories Communist now?

I reckon people are trying to encourage it either because:

• they either don’t clearly understand what it is or why it’s so dangerous
• they don’t want to accept it’s dangerous
• they think it’s dangerous but don’t think it’ll affect them

The last point reminds me so much of that old meme of the woman supporting the Leopards Eating People's Faces Party (I never thought leopards would eat MY face,' sobs woman who voted for the Leopards Eating People's Faces Party….)

Scientific evidence of 'transgenderism'?

There is no scientific evidence that a third type of human called a 'transgender' person exists.

Oh please. You know what you’re doing. There are some people who are transgender.

Prosecuting people who commit incitement to violence isn't fascism.

There's a plethora of scientific evidence for 'transgenderism' as you so crudely put it. Some fish for example are trans, they can change gender at will.