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AIBU to think this quote sums up Tommy Robinson and his supporters?

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Gingerbreadtree · 15/05/2026 07:53

The quote is taken from the British philosopher Bertrand Russell's essay on Fascim in 1940,

"The first step in a fascist movement is the combination under an energetic leader of a number of men who possess more than the average share of leisure, brutality, and stupidity. The next step is to fascinate fools and muzzle the intelligent, by emotional excitement on the one hand and terrorism on the other."

To me it sums them up, but it sums up a lot of the far right in general. The same could be said about Farage and many of his supporters too.

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IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 15/05/2026 14:38

CoolPombear · 15/05/2026 12:21

The PP is merely showing how women and girls are used as pawns in all sides of political arguments. Getting one over in Reform is way more important than female rights.

Quite.

mrshoho · 15/05/2026 14:39

The more recent antisemitic attacks around North London do not appear to be coming from far right groups. Jewish people are well aware of who is the biggest threat and which parties have enabled the hate.

sofiathewurst · 15/05/2026 16:08

We need to ensure that when there is a threat to any group it is dealt with robustly, and it doesn't matter who the perpetrators are. There can be no throwing one group under the bus due to not wanting to offend another by pointing out the threat or those responsible for attacks. This just fuels division and gives ammunition to those with a vested interest in discontent.

InstantlyBella · 15/05/2026 16:19

The white working class are resentful because we warned them that Brexit wouldn't make their lives any better and now they are lashing out against sensible politics by endorsing racists who will literally drive this country into balkanisation and civil strife.

The left have to stop infighting and getting back to doing what we do best, shaming the people who have views we find abhorrent until we drive them out of the public discourse, as it was before the acquisition of twitter by he who shall not be named.

Boomer55 · 15/05/2026 16:21

Gingerbreadtree · 15/05/2026 07:53

The quote is taken from the British philosopher Bertrand Russell's essay on Fascim in 1940,

"The first step in a fascist movement is the combination under an energetic leader of a number of men who possess more than the average share of leisure, brutality, and stupidity. The next step is to fascinate fools and muzzle the intelligent, by emotional excitement on the one hand and terrorism on the other."

To me it sums them up, but it sums up a lot of the far right in general. The same could be said about Farage and many of his supporters too.

Everyone has different views. Thats what democracy is. You don’t like them, others do. 🤷‍♀️

Shedmistress · 15/05/2026 16:24

InstantlyBella · 15/05/2026 16:19

The white working class are resentful because we warned them that Brexit wouldn't make their lives any better and now they are lashing out against sensible politics by endorsing racists who will literally drive this country into balkanisation and civil strife.

The left have to stop infighting and getting back to doing what we do best, shaming the people who have views we find abhorrent until we drive them out of the public discourse, as it was before the acquisition of twitter by he who shall not be named.

Twitter before Musk (why can't he be named?) was an absolute hell hole for women who know there are 2 sexes.

There is a theme here...

Goldenbear · 15/05/2026 16:26

Who feels terrorised by Zak Polanski.

NotAnotherScarf · 15/05/2026 16:40

specialsauce · 15/05/2026 08:03

The thing I don't understand is, why is anyone at all trying to encourage the rise of fascism?

I know there's probably a very obvious answer but all that term means to me is violence, depression, pain and societal disfunction.

What are the benefits of fascism?

That the little person, ignored by mainstream politicians, derided for worrying about their community and culture, called stupid for voting in a way other people disagree with, kept poor when jobs, housing, education are provided for others, when cuts hit their community but immigrant communities get provision....that's why the far right appeals.

When the mainstream, like in 1920s Germany appears to favour certain groups and the rich get richer and the bulk of the poor are left behind.... coupled with the consequences of the treaty of Versailles which was a punishment from the French, the fact that the men returning from the front felt betrayed by the politicians at home because they were close to winning in their view.

Today the impact that social media, talking heads and the middle class reaction to Brexit. The influx of migrants from the open boarders policy of the EU for 20 years driving down wages. The push to university education, where only 16% of working class white boys make it...the rest are failures. The effects of austerity on council services, education and social services, when migrants are put in 4 star hotels. The fact that even an archbishop of Canterbury suggested a few years ago that Britain should have areas of Sharia law...that's why the far right gains support

We also now live in complete echo chambers. I have lost count of the times people I know and even family (I have 56 first cousins) have posted an image of a knight wearing a st George's cross with the message "Facebook wants to ban this image".

There's an experiment that a group of people are sat in a circle. The first one is asked what is 5+5. They answer 11. The next person and the next both answer 11. The forth who hasn't been primed to lie also says 11, so does the next. We are programmed through evolution to copy and accept as truth and right what we are told.

So the far right grows. I'm politically to the right but it really concerns me

DuskOPorter · 15/05/2026 16:53

InstantlyBella · 15/05/2026 16:19

The white working class are resentful because we warned them that Brexit wouldn't make their lives any better and now they are lashing out against sensible politics by endorsing racists who will literally drive this country into balkanisation and civil strife.

The left have to stop infighting and getting back to doing what we do best, shaming the people who have views we find abhorrent until we drive them out of the public discourse, as it was before the acquisition of twitter by he who shall not be named.

I need a laughing emoji, you’d have to miss the days of no debate on Twitter that so many on the left roundly applauded because shutting down uncomfortable conversations of wrong think is such a great way to keep long standing left voters with you. Their truly loyal supporters are still at their wrong think shouting.

Shedmistress · 15/05/2026 17:01

NotAnotherScarf · 15/05/2026 16:40

That the little person, ignored by mainstream politicians, derided for worrying about their community and culture, called stupid for voting in a way other people disagree with, kept poor when jobs, housing, education are provided for others, when cuts hit their community but immigrant communities get provision....that's why the far right appeals.

When the mainstream, like in 1920s Germany appears to favour certain groups and the rich get richer and the bulk of the poor are left behind.... coupled with the consequences of the treaty of Versailles which was a punishment from the French, the fact that the men returning from the front felt betrayed by the politicians at home because they were close to winning in their view.

Today the impact that social media, talking heads and the middle class reaction to Brexit. The influx of migrants from the open boarders policy of the EU for 20 years driving down wages. The push to university education, where only 16% of working class white boys make it...the rest are failures. The effects of austerity on council services, education and social services, when migrants are put in 4 star hotels. The fact that even an archbishop of Canterbury suggested a few years ago that Britain should have areas of Sharia law...that's why the far right gains support

We also now live in complete echo chambers. I have lost count of the times people I know and even family (I have 56 first cousins) have posted an image of a knight wearing a st George's cross with the message "Facebook wants to ban this image".

There's an experiment that a group of people are sat in a circle. The first one is asked what is 5+5. They answer 11. The next person and the next both answer 11. The forth who hasn't been primed to lie also says 11, so does the next. We are programmed through evolution to copy and accept as truth and right what we are told.

So the far right grows. I'm politically to the right but it really concerns me

Like 'yes of course women can have a penis' that is a particularly leftist mantra.

This isn't a left right issue, those markers went belly up years ago.

InstantlyBella · 15/05/2026 17:14

DuskOPorter · 15/05/2026 16:53

I need a laughing emoji, you’d have to miss the days of no debate on Twitter that so many on the left roundly applauded because shutting down uncomfortable conversations of wrong think is such a great way to keep long standing left voters with you. Their truly loyal supporters are still at their wrong think shouting.

The gender critical movement are not part of the left, you exposed yourselves when you took it upon yourselves to go after trans people for just wanting to exist. No debate means your opinions aren't worthy of being part of public discourse, just like other abhorrent opinions like being anti-immigration or anti-abortion.

SleeplessInWherever · 15/05/2026 17:30

Shedmistress · 15/05/2026 17:01

Like 'yes of course women can have a penis' that is a particularly leftist mantra.

This isn't a left right issue, those markers went belly up years ago.

I’ve voted Labour all but once (Lib Dem 2010, I regret everything).

I am quite aware that biological women don’t have penises. From you know, being one, and… science.

FlirtsWithRhinos · 15/05/2026 17:49

InstantlyBella · 15/05/2026 17:14

The gender critical movement are not part of the left, you exposed yourselves when you took it upon yourselves to go after trans people for just wanting to exist. No debate means your opinions aren't worthy of being part of public discourse, just like other abhorrent opinions like being anti-immigration or anti-abortion.

Bullshit.

I am gender critical. I am left wing. Gender criticism was a core Feminist insight way before transgenderism and its sexist demands hit the mainstream.

Your silly little statement simply shows you don't know anything at all about what or who you are talking about.

You have been led by the nose into regurgitating the hate that the Genderist movement directs at women simply because we do exist, and will always exist, in ways trans identifying men will never be able to appropriate.

They hate that simple fact so much that they scream hatred and blue murder at any woman who dares to say it.

They accuse us of "not wanting trans people to exist" when the real, awful truth is that it is trans people and their allies who cannot allow that men and women, the simple two human sexes, exist in any meaningful way because otherwise their whole belief system falls down.

So they turn that fury at us into the projection that is us who want them not to exist and not them who want to write the reality of sex out of existence in law, in language, in culture and in society.

And with it the rights and protections of the female half of humanity.

Shedmistress · 15/05/2026 18:22

InstantlyBella · 15/05/2026 17:14

The gender critical movement are not part of the left, you exposed yourselves when you took it upon yourselves to go after trans people for just wanting to exist. No debate means your opinions aren't worthy of being part of public discourse, just like other abhorrent opinions like being anti-immigration or anti-abortion.

Trans people ie people who have fetishes and/or mental health issues definitely exist, they just need to abide by the law and stay in their sex based spaces.

But good of you to show how mental this cult is, and how the term 'omnicause' encapsulates it.

Gingerbreadtree · 15/05/2026 18:23

Shedmistress · 15/05/2026 16:24

Twitter before Musk (why can't he be named?) was an absolute hell hole for women who know there are 2 sexes.

There is a theme here...

And twitter since Musk has been a hell site for anyone who isn't white, or anyone with a decent conscience. The algorithm amplifies racism, xenophobia and hate.

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RobinEllacotStrike · 15/05/2026 18:25

i Agree it sounds like the Greens and other far left “liberators” too.

differ cheeks of the same arse as it’s said.

RobinEllacotStrike · 15/05/2026 18:27

Gingerbreadtree · 15/05/2026 18:23

And twitter since Musk has been a hell site for anyone who isn't white, or anyone with a decent conscience. The algorithm amplifies racism, xenophobia and hate.

This isn’t my experience of X at all.

guess my algorithm experience if different to yours. I am careful not to wander too far off piste there though.

Arseholes all over social media.

Shedmistress · 15/05/2026 18:30

Gingerbreadtree · 15/05/2026 18:23

And twitter since Musk has been a hell site for anyone who isn't white, or anyone with a decent conscience. The algorithm amplifies racism, xenophobia and hate.

You are maybe following the wrong people?

InstantlyBella · 15/05/2026 18:43

Gingerbreadtree · 15/05/2026 18:23

And twitter since Musk has been a hell site for anyone who isn't white, or anyone with a decent conscience. The algorithm amplifies racism, xenophobia and hate.

It's absolutely disgusting on there. Right now the online right are posting repeatedly about an alleged Sikh man who apparentky stabbed a white student to death but are conveniently leaving out the fact that the Sikh man had said that the person had racially abused them prior to the altercation.

BiteSizeByzantine · 15/05/2026 18:55

InstantlyBella · 15/05/2026 16:19

The white working class are resentful because we warned them that Brexit wouldn't make their lives any better and now they are lashing out against sensible politics by endorsing racists who will literally drive this country into balkanisation and civil strife.

The left have to stop infighting and getting back to doing what we do best, shaming the people who have views we find abhorrent until we drive them out of the public discourse, as it was before the acquisition of twitter by he who shall not be named.

This post is part of the problem.

Thetitwhisperer · 15/05/2026 19:18

Goldenbear · 15/05/2026 16:26

Who feels terrorised by Zak Polanski.

I would imagine most dentists!

CoolPombear · 15/05/2026 19:32

Goldenbear · 15/05/2026 16:26

Who feels terrorised by Zak Polanski.

Probably Jews, just off the top of my head.

CoolPombear · 15/05/2026 19:32

Thetitwhisperer · 15/05/2026 19:18

I would imagine most dentists!

😆 🤣 😂 😹 😆

Desperatelyseekinglazysusan · 15/05/2026 19:33

InstantlyBella · 15/05/2026 16:19

The white working class are resentful because we warned them that Brexit wouldn't make their lives any better and now they are lashing out against sensible politics by endorsing racists who will literally drive this country into balkanisation and civil strife.

The left have to stop infighting and getting back to doing what we do best, shaming the people who have views we find abhorrent until we drive them out of the public discourse, as it was before the acquisition of twitter by he who shall not be named.

I think you should be more vocal in Green politics. Don't go by a pseudonym. Really say what you ( and probably a large chunk of the Green Party, and the Labour Party to be fair) think. Just really go for it. Stop trying to pander to the ' working Class'. Really go for that Middle Class intellectual vote. It's time you all stopped pretending.

Desperatelyseekinglazysusan · 15/05/2026 19:35

InstantlyBella · 15/05/2026 18:43

It's absolutely disgusting on there. Right now the online right are posting repeatedly about an alleged Sikh man who apparentky stabbed a white student to death but are conveniently leaving out the fact that the Sikh man had said that the person had racially abused them prior to the altercation.

Err I mean he murdered some kid who called him names. Not really equivalent is it? Unless you are also going for public hanging of racists as well?

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