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AIBU to think this quote sums up Tommy Robinson and his supporters?

323 replies

Gingerbreadtree · 15/05/2026 07:53

The quote is taken from the British philosopher Bertrand Russell's essay on Fascim in 1940,

"The first step in a fascist movement is the combination under an energetic leader of a number of men who possess more than the average share of leisure, brutality, and stupidity. The next step is to fascinate fools and muzzle the intelligent, by emotional excitement on the one hand and terrorism on the other."

To me it sums them up, but it sums up a lot of the far right in general. The same could be said about Farage and many of his supporters too.

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Shedmistress · 16/05/2026 07:54

InstantlyBella · 16/05/2026 07:52

There's a plethora of scientific evidence for 'transgenderism' as you so crudely put it. Some fish for example are trans, they can change gender at will.

No, gender is a human concept. Some fish have adapted to change sex.

Humans are not fish.

No human has changed sex.

JuliettaCaeser · 16/05/2026 08:00

What has that got to do with anything? Are you a fish? Humans can’t change sex that’s the reality of it

Shedmistress · 16/05/2026 08:00

JuliettaCaeser · 16/05/2026 08:00

What has that got to do with anything? Are you a fish? Humans can’t change sex that’s the reality of it

i think someone has been on a HR mandated course!

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 16/05/2026 08:01

InstantlyBella · 15/05/2026 22:46

It's a religious exemption, it's not a special privilege. Don't be prejudice it doesn't make you look good.

And all I'm saying is that the alleged racial abuse is a lot of context that the online right left out of the conversation in order to make the situation look a lot worse than it was. And now it has them all frothing at the mouth and claiming to be victimised by the 'woke establishment'. Twitter needs to be shut down before it makes things worse seriously.

I know it’s ‘religious exemption’ but as it allows a specific group to do something that the rest of us can’t, it is a special privilege.

If that privilege is abused it should be withdrawn.

In fact I think we should look at all ‘religious exemptions’ and reconsider whether they are compatible with Western society. For example, non stun religious slaughter has an exemption from UK and EU animal welfare laws - why?

Millions and millions of animals are now slaughtered in a way we deem to be cruel because it’s a ‘religious requirement’. Why?

mrshoho · 16/05/2026 08:03

FISH! 🐠 😅🤣😂 Oh dear! And male Sea horses gestate embryos but you do realise that doesn't mean humans can!

Dollymylove · 16/05/2026 08:06

Ablondiebutagoody · 15/05/2026 08:07

Moderate people have lead to this though. For example, TR was talking about the rape gangs about a decade ago when everyone else preferred to look the other way.

Tommy Robinsons has been silenced by the authorities.

InstantlyBella · 16/05/2026 08:27

JuliettaCaeser · 16/05/2026 08:00

What has that got to do with anything? Are you a fish? Humans can’t change sex that’s the reality of it

Yes they can. Transgender people are anywhere up to 2% of the population and they have existed in civilisations across the globe for millenia. You can't just say something doesn't exist because it doesn't suit your particular worldview, seriously how have the left become so antiscience all of a sudden?

TwoLittleMops · 16/05/2026 08:30

Firstbornunicorn · 15/05/2026 08:07

I do not see how this applies to Polanski. Wanting an inclusive society is the opposite of fascism.

He wants to exclude Zionists. That's about 80-90% of British Jews (according to polling). Not very inclusive is he.

He also went on a tirade about excluding right wingers from society altogether (that would include moderates like Kemi Badenoch and most of the conservative party).

God knows what his version on "to exclude" means. I bet it's radical.

The man is a nutcase and a fraud.

SquirrelSoShiny · 16/05/2026 08:30

Shedmistress · 15/05/2026 21:06

Are you quite alright?

A 'genuine expression' of what, Kenny Everett?

😂😂😂

SquirrelSoShiny · 16/05/2026 08:33

InstantlyBella · 16/05/2026 07:52

There's a plethora of scientific evidence for 'transgenderism' as you so crudely put it. Some fish for example are trans, they can change gender at will.

Is this parody? I honestly can't tell anymore. Humans aren't fish.

InstantlyBella · 16/05/2026 08:36

TwoLittleMops · 16/05/2026 08:30

He wants to exclude Zionists. That's about 80-90% of British Jews (according to polling). Not very inclusive is he.

He also went on a tirade about excluding right wingers from society altogether (that would include moderates like Kemi Badenoch and most of the conservative party).

God knows what his version on "to exclude" means. I bet it's radical.

The man is a nutcase and a fraud.

Right wingers should be excluded from society, he's absolutely on the ball there and I'm glad he has the gumption to tell it how it is. Some 'opinions' are just too damaging for society and we have a particular problem with young white men feeling 'disenfranchised' and getting radicalised by these venomous wretches.

sofiathewurst · 16/05/2026 08:41

InstantlyBella · 16/05/2026 08:36

Right wingers should be excluded from society, he's absolutely on the ball there and I'm glad he has the gumption to tell it how it is. Some 'opinions' are just too damaging for society and we have a particular problem with young white men feeling 'disenfranchised' and getting radicalised by these venomous wretches.

Can you not see a problem with saying that one group should just be excluded from society? What do you think this completely disenfranchised group would end up doing? Take up knitting blankets for the homeless and needy? And why do you get to decide who is cast out from society? Why not the people who find your views distasteful and prejudiced?

JuliettaCaeser · 16/05/2026 08:42

That’s the problem right there in that post. What do you suggests happens to these excluded right wingers?! Shot at dawn? Camps?

InstantlyBella · 16/05/2026 08:46

JuliettaCaeser · 16/05/2026 08:42

That’s the problem right there in that post. What do you suggests happens to these excluded right wingers?! Shot at dawn? Camps?

Obviously not, more like banned from social media and any place of employment that involves working with young people and/or public speaking. I can't think of specific policy off the top of my head but you get the jist.

mrshoho · 16/05/2026 08:55

InstantlyBella · 16/05/2026 08:36

Right wingers should be excluded from society, he's absolutely on the ball there and I'm glad he has the gumption to tell it how it is. Some 'opinions' are just too damaging for society and we have a particular problem with young white men feeling 'disenfranchised' and getting radicalised by these venomous wretches.

Who in your opinion do you class as right wing? Those with gender critical beliefs? Those who speak out about out of control immigration? I'd be interested to know which groups you wish to silence and banish.

Winteriscoming80 · 16/05/2026 08:56

Ablondiebutagoody · 15/05/2026 08:07

Moderate people have lead to this though. For example, TR was talking about the rape gangs about a decade ago when everyone else preferred to look the other way.

Agree

noblegiraffe · 16/05/2026 08:59

mrshoho · 16/05/2026 08:55

Who in your opinion do you class as right wing? Those with gender critical beliefs? Those who speak out about out of control immigration? I'd be interested to know which groups you wish to silence and banish.

It's a pisstake. They're probably typing a post right now saying 'anyone who disagrees with Zack Polanski'.

Pippin2017 · 16/05/2026 09:00

LilyCanna · 15/05/2026 09:19

I’m finding Mumsnet pretty depressing these days. Someone starts a thread, concerned about the rise of the far right - a strand of political activity that includes people who advocate for the mass deportation of all Muslims and the ‘Hitler had a point’ crew. And even more mainstream commentators stirring up hate against refugees and blaming immigrants for all of the UK’s problems.

And then the majority of the replies are either ‘the Green Party is just as bad’ or saying the rise of the far right is the fault of the left or the fault of the government for being too ‘politically correct’.

This.

InstantlyBella · 16/05/2026 09:01

mrshoho · 16/05/2026 08:55

Who in your opinion do you class as right wing? Those with gender critical beliefs? Those who speak out about out of control immigration? I'd be interested to know which groups you wish to silence and banish.

Being anti-immigration is certainly right wing. I have it on good authority from some of the gender critical women on this very website that gender critical people are absolutely not right wing, though I struggle to believe that personally. Anything that leans towards authoritarianism would be generally considered right wing.

sofiathewurst · 16/05/2026 09:04

I would say banishing certain groups from society leans very much towards authoritarianism.

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 16/05/2026 09:04

InstantlyBella · 16/05/2026 08:46

Obviously not, more like banned from social media and any place of employment that involves working with young people and/or public speaking. I can't think of specific policy off the top of my head but you get the jist.

So people whose political views you dislike should be excluded from society? You know what type of dictator that makes you sound like?

Wanting our government to properly control our borders is not ‘right wing’ btw. I mean it was what Starmer promised to do at the election.

Is he now ‘right wing’. Is Shabana Mahmood ‘right wing’.

Pippin2017 · 16/05/2026 09:06

Ablondiebutagoody · 15/05/2026 08:07

Moderate people have lead to this though. For example, TR was talking about the rape gangs about a decade ago when everyone else preferred to look the other way.

He was talking about a particular kind of gang. White British rape and grooming gangs aren't in Yaxley-Lennon's sights for some peculiar reason. In fact he seems to be very friendly with some rapists and groomers, and many of his followers have convictions for sexual and domestic abuse. He could start campaigning against them - he could easily identify the perpetrators. Yet he chooses not to. All a bit odd. 🙄

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 16/05/2026 09:06

InstantlyBella · 16/05/2026 09:01

Being anti-immigration is certainly right wing. I have it on good authority from some of the gender critical women on this very website that gender critical people are absolutely not right wing, though I struggle to believe that personally. Anything that leans towards authoritarianism would be generally considered right wing.

Anything that leans towards authoritarianism would be generally considered right wing.

So you, the Green Party and the Labour Party are all right wing? Good to know. Weird that Starmer is trying to disenfranchise himself though. You sound confused.

Ponoka7 · 16/05/2026 09:07

specialsauce · 15/05/2026 08:03

The thing I don't understand is, why is anyone at all trying to encourage the rise of fascism?

I know there's probably a very obvious answer but all that term means to me is violence, depression, pain and societal disfunction.

What are the benefits of fascism?

People like other people to be miserable and under control. We saw that during Covid. People, who had seemed reasonable before, were damaging cars and reporting neighbours. As well as personal attacks across SM etc about who wasn't clapping. We see in a lot of posters they live by ridiculous restrictions around, food, buying new clothes, going out-out, they can't stand the happiness freedom brings.

InstantlyBella · 16/05/2026 09:08

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 16/05/2026 09:04

So people whose political views you dislike should be excluded from society? You know what type of dictator that makes you sound like?

Wanting our government to properly control our borders is not ‘right wing’ btw. I mean it was what Starmer promised to do at the election.

Is he now ‘right wing’. Is Shabana Mahmood ‘right wing’.

Yes Kier Starmer is right wing, or at the very least he's certainly not a leftist. And controlling your borders (i.e determining who can come in and come out) absolutely is right wing. Nobody has any right to dictate where a person can and cannot go in the world, the very concept of restricting free movement is deeply authoritarian and is the root cause of nationalism in the world. Borders create division, they cause hate and ultimately they cause war. We should be working to end them.