AIBU? Hantavirus Liverpool

[mumstheword1x]

I’ve just seen that the Hantavirus is in Liverpool?! They’ve been brought to Liverpool? I’ve got a 2 day work conference there and now I’m worried 😢 I suffer terribly with health anxiety. AIBU?

Regarding the number of passengers and crew who disembarked earlier:

"Authorities around the world are racing to trace dozens of passengers who disembarked from the cruise ship at the centre of a deadly hantavirus outbreak before isolation measures were implemented.

It emerged for the first time on Thursday that at least 29 passengers of 12 nationalities left the MV Hondius on 24 April after the first fatality, prompting a scramble to identify and track their movements since then."

Global race under way to trace passengers who left hantavirus ship before outbreak confirmed | Hantavirus | The Guardian

"Thirty-four passengers and crew had disembarked MV Hondius before the outbreak was identified, including some who left the cruise at St Helena, and have been contacted and advised to self-monitor for symptoms."

First passengers disembark the hantavirus-hit cruise ship with Australians to leave last, bound for Perth - ABC News

"The luxury cruise, Oceanwide Expeditions, said in a statement 114 guests and 61 crew members from 22 countries boarded the vessel, but 32 guests disembarked at St Helena on 24 April.

About 150 passengers and crew from 28 countries are reported to have initially been aboard the vessel, but dozens got off on the island of St Helena on 24 April."

Hantavirus cruise ship: race to trace passengers who disembarked before outbreak

I mean, I wouldn't be worried about it on the personal level - but the shambolic, uncordinated response globally is not exactly reassuring in regards to how the world will handle the next pandemic (of something far more contagious than hantavirus) that does occur.

Good point.

Bird watching on a rubbish dump? Yeah, right.

Landfill site, yes. When the ornithological enthusiasts who were the original infected couple (the Schilperoords from the Nederlands) were in Argentina on March 27, they visited a landfill four miles outside the city of Ushuaia to try and spot a rare owl.

72 hours! Then off you trot.

They haven't said that. They said that after 72 hours, and depending on test results, they will decide on a case by case basis whether people will go to self isolate at home.

Bird watching on a rubbish dump? Yeah, right.

Yes, right. On a landfill site. It's popular with tourists. But it's not certain that's where the infection came from.

Try reading the news reports.

That is the current theory being reported. From the BBC blog a few days ago:

"Infected couple visited sites where rat species carrying hantavirus was present - WHO

Dr Tedros says investigations into the course of the outbreak are still under way.
The first two cases "travelled through Argentina, Chile and Uruguay on a bird-watching trip which included visits to sites where the species of rat known to carry the virus was present," he says.

The WHO is working with authorities in Argentina to understand the couple's movements, he adds."

I thought the landfill site was less likely now and it was another place further up

Yes, an ornithologist on a reddit thread I was just reading debunked that notion. Who knows. But this is the initial comment people have been responding to:

You don't actually know that - if it is, it would likely be a new strain. There is only one known strain of hantavirus that can be transmitted human to human, and that is found in South America. The likelihood is, the source is on the ship and all the patients thus far have had direct contact with the source. I feel for you, since you clearly have anxiety, but your scaremongering is objectionable. You're clearly not an epidemiologist so stop it with your nonsense.

@Friendlygingercat who would you sue (the rats!) and on what basis?

Jesus SM is fuelling this hanta fear. Calm down dear you are more likely to be damaged from effects of alcohol this weekend.

Do you think they're going to come for you?

You really need to get some therapy and stop catastrophising.

OP you have multiple threads being anxious about this, that and the other. Strongly recommend you get help with your anxiety - that’s a much bigger threat to your wellbeing than being in the same metropolitan region as people in quarantine.

The case they have, is the one that is transferred human to
human, so I don’t get your point?

Please @mumstheword1x Just stop. Leave the thread. Put your phone down. Close down your laptop.

You're making your anxiety worse by focusing on any potential negative rather than thinking more rationally (and reading proper news souces) about this.

You are not helping yourself.

This thread had made it into The Times today.

Another hantavirus cruise evacuee is confirmed to have the disease, with Spaniard quarantined after it emerges critically ill French patient's symptoms were dismissed as 'anxiety'

Brits evacuated from Hantavirus cruise ship cannot be forced to self-isolate when released from Covid hospital - as 'taped-up door' separates passengers from intensive care unit

These are the sort of shenanigans we remember from Covid. Covid was badly. mishandled by experts and politicians. Let's hope they will contain this awful virus.

People are dropping out of the awayday for other reasons, but I’m sure they aren’t stupid enough to go

I mean, I wouldn't be worried about it on the personal level - but the shambolic, uncordinated response globally is not exactly reassuring in regards to how the world will handle the next pandemic (of something far more contagious than hantavirus) that does occur.

💯This.

The OP may sound silly and exaggerated, yes.

But anyone who watched the Us press conference will have noticed that it was the journalists who asked intelligent questions but the expert panel came across clueless and inexperienced. One woman kept laughing when she was talking about the ordeal of the passengers, it was all so tone deaf and unprofessional.

Dismissing a passengers symptoms as anxiety isn't too switched don either is it.

OP where and when is your conference ?

It is merseyside
my parents live in parkgate; just up the road in heswall
it is Merseyside
not that it matters, born in Liverpool and there is nothing wrong with Merseyside

And?

Oh, for goodness sake!!!
Going to a conference in Liverpool where some people are being isolated in a hospital on The Wirral 11 miles away is NOT stupid.

Use your logic and stop making up scenarios, stay away from the internet and get some therapy.

Stay away from Liverpool if you must, tell them the real reason you are not going and lose the respect of your peers.

You want me to spell out the difference between being in a quarantine facility far from the general population or indeed anyone other than quarantine staff for three weeks is different to being assessed over 72 hours and deemed worthy to go home (although not by public transport!) and trusted to self-isolate there, or if symptomatic etc being sent on to another hospital facility?

Some people are notoriously poor at self-isolating, history has shown.

Hanta virus isn't as contagious as Covid