To think we don’t know how lucky we are under Starmer.

[SevenYellowHammers]

Russia have a mad despot who is responsible for the deaths of Russians and Ukrainians and has caused untold damage on the world’s environment and economy. But he’s still in power.

The USA have a mad despot who’s causing deaths worldwide and has started a war he can’t win causing untold damage to the world’s economy and environment. But he’s still in power.

Israel have a mad despot who is committing genocide and putting Jewish people at risk across the world. But he’s still in power.

In the UK, we have a dull bloke who’s doing his best to stand up to the mad despots while not leading us into war. And we’re all trying to get rid of him.

Net immigration!!!

They've overseen a massive increase in people leaving the country because they're fed up with the high taxes.

The boat people?

They're still flooding in, sadly.

Starmer is not on the verge of being ousted because he is a hard working boring politician. Or because the international scene is working against getting UK economy going. Or because the media. Or because he lacks of charisma.

He is in this because of why on Earth is Mandelson, twice thrown out of government, besties with Epstein, anywhere near Starmer? Why is this person allowed to have anything with politics and specially with those in power? And then given a post that puts him on the pathway of very sensitive information? When we all know he cannot be trusted? Then when you pull a bit and ask some questions, more dodgy names come to light. More extreme dodgy behaviour comes to light. Yet Starmer forced his own party to vote against a public enquiry on what is going on.
It is not a dick move. The dick move was to have Mandelson anywhere close to the Labour party. To have Mandelson anywhere close to a ruling government and to give him any post, that cannot be justified. That is obscure beyond measure. And that is the reason this is happening. And it is all 100% to Starmer and no one else.

I doubt he will survive this. Ministers are now urging him to resign.

We do need a full on enquiry on what happened with Mandelson and the whole of Starmer's inner circle. And the full Labour circle.
The Labour party must have a laundry day to get rid of any similar characters before they chose a leader. If they want a chance to survive this as a party.

Exactly this.

Starmer is facing a rebellion from his own party because they can see that the majority of the general public has lost confidence in him.

He has no clear direction, is weak and his judgement is questionable. He promised change but seems to be blustering from one u-turn to the next.

It seems he is more comfortable on foreign affairs than on domestic issues. A lot of people voted for him with high hopes but feel let down.

Blimey, you had to dig deep for that. Yes, PIE was a shameful organisation that did much to destabilise equality rights. Most of this happened before HH was involved in the NCCL, although she admitted she should have opposed the group more vehemently than she did, she was very clear on her abhorrence to it. The BBC article you’ve provided is about the Daily Mail attempting to besmirch the Labour Party but you know, if you feel strongly about it, why not raise your concerns to the police and ask them to conduct a thorough investigation into the matter?

Most councils were not up for election!

Labour suffered a massive electoral blow on Thursday - denial doesn't mean it didn't happen!

Please do provide evidence of your claims? It literally sounds like the pizza gate conspiracy.

As the previous poster said so many people have been radicalised online by social media. They're prepared to believe any drivel because they saw it on X, Facebook or Tiktok.

This thread really sums up how I am feeling. I am disappointed KS hasn’t been more dynamic but I am filled with dread about what comes next if/when he goes. I’m ok with keeping dull and earnest for a while. Mid-term PMs often feel pressure to call a GE early which is likely to herald a whole raft of problems and unrest.

Yes, I agree, he is better on the international stage than the domestic one. Perhaps he thought he appointed ministers to do the national stuff so he could concentrate on defusing frankly terrifying international ones? Blair managed to be a force both at home and abroad but look how that turned out. I’ll take a bit dull and slow over involving us in American aggression anytime.

Agreed. Somehow, led by recent experience & SM, rhe public seem to prefer 'personality' PM's over dull plodder who get the job done. KS is nationalising steel, transforming renters rights, childcare, improving the NHS, & prior to Iran war doing well on inflation & interest rates. He is excellent internationally & has kept us out of a ruinous war & is building bridges in Europe where he is respected.
Why chuck rhat away because he is dull?
Madness. We will live to regret it imo.

And @chargingdockI think the publics appetite for 5 (especially the 10 KS has been talking about) year economic plans is low. This is what we should care about, but no. I'm in Scotland where the SNP leader, Sturgeon, was arrested for stealing oxalic donations (apparently it was just her husband, also head of party, & she didn't know). 19 years of financial disaster, Scottish economy in far more debt than English, yet just voted in fir another 4 years. I despair.
No, should be 'public' not 'oxalic'.

In recent years we’ve had fucking mental PMs and it didn’t work out for us. Our turnover of PMs is embarrassing, really. Starmer has his faults, of course he does, but I agree with PPs. This is a social media and right wing MSM campaign to turf him out. John Major, way back when, was boring and not charismatic but he did a lot of good and his era is mostly looked up favourably now.

Right wing parties and media are still peddling the idea we are being overrun with immigration when the statistics, previously quoted by the OP, don’t back it up.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2026/04/25/starmer-broke-ministerial-code-with-mandelson-meeting/

Could you link to this please? I am not clear what the 0.45% is?

Im still puzzled as to why several posters on this thread are magically immune from the media (both mainstream and social) influence that they claim the rest of us are falling for.

It’s such an arrogant way of defending your beliefs.

I mean the bar is on the floor…

FFS. Every political party is rammed full with Mandelson type characters. Every political leader has connections to dodgy deals or dodgy characters. You’re pinning this one example on why Starmer must go?

He may have been ill advised in choosing Mandy as the Trump whisperer, but there is no one who will replace him that can be ‘trusted’. None of our politicians can be trusted. They are all humans with bias, character flaws, and prone to bouts of bad judgement. And connections to wealthy dodgy characters.

That is why we need checks and balances to political power. However, in this case, we are being badly let down by our media. It used to be Tory supporting British businessmen owning the 4th estate, but god knows who does now. No one with the UKs best interest in mind, that’s for sure. Maybe the FT.

I really like Keir. He has principles, he thinks of others, he listens, he’s calm, he doesn’t knee jerk react to the lunacy of DT.
I’m petrified of the insanity that will follow when Farage gets in (and unfortunately I think it is a case of when). As soon as reform realise that “stopping the boats” isn’t actually that simple then turn their hands to the other things on their agenda like implementing an American style healthcare system and removing people’s employment rights etc , stuff that is going to massively negatively impact many of the people who will vote for him, the country will have gone down an irreversible road to nightmare.

Arent reform going to increase everyone’s personal allowance to £20k costing tens of billions? Around half the NHS budget?

I agree, OP. Mostly. Starmer and his team have not properly publicised the substantial progress they’ve made, with immigration numbers, NHS improvements and others listed above.

Also, the Observer reported on Sunday that in 2025 the UK attracted over $500Bn of VC start up funds. The next highest European country was Germany with under $9Bn attracted. That’s a staggering success! It will take a little while to be felt, and let’s hope it is used responsibly so that the economic impacts are notable.

Some of the seeds for this funding may have been planted during the Sunak years, but on the whole this massive accomplishment belongs to Starmer and Reeves.*

I expect they’re referring to things like this:

Anti-Labour misinformation on YouTube - who is funding it?https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/dec/13/fake-anti-labour-video-billion-views-youtube-2025

The New World’s investigation into GB News - some very alarming conclusions:
https://www.thenewworld.co.uk/gb-news-scandal/

Elon Musk, the owner of X, trying to directly interfere with UK politics and democracy; aswell as the spread of misinformation, referring to the UK has said, ‘civil war is inevitable’ and ‘you either fight back or die’.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0m4rz0pvmno

And let’s not forget that the vast majority of our media is right-wing owned - Daily ‘Hurrah for the blackshirts!’ Mail, Telegraph, Express, etc. . The Independent and Evening Standard are both owned by Lebedev - he who Johnson made a Tory peer despite security warnings from both MI5 and MI6 - and his father, who is a former KGB agent.

It’s not as much that people believe they’re immune, but that they just recognise the daily onslaught from the right. If you want to see where and how this ends, just look at what is happening in the USA.

Further facts:

@TeenagersAngst Since you asked, no, British Steel was not renationalised earlier. HMG had invested to keep it open, but Jingye retained ownership. Nationalisation (UK government ownership) is only happening now.

The only evidence we have been given so far about the lurid Harriet Harmon claims links to a story at the BBC website. However that story only discusses a tenuous link between an ancestor organisation to Liberty, which Harmon represented as legal officer, and a (I can hardly bear to write this) paedo rights group insufficiently condemned by this Liberty precursor.

Guess what the only reference for the BBC article is? That’s right, the Daily Fail.

Christ alive. Demand more.

Starmer has undoubtedly made numerous mistakes and errors of judgement. But I’d rather he stayed in place , the alternatives seem worse. That might be a low bar …

Yeah but they are not explaining why everyone else falls under the influence but they are the only ones who can see the light.

Exactly. Brexit all over again. Putin laughing all the way to the bank.

If not him, then crypto / oil / private equity are laughing all the way to their big off shore Cayman Island bank.