To think we don’t know how lucky we are under Starmer.

[SevenYellowHammers]

Russia have a mad despot who is responsible for the deaths of Russians and Ukrainians and has caused untold damage on the world’s environment and economy. But he’s still in power.

The USA have a mad despot who’s causing deaths worldwide and has started a war he can’t win causing untold damage to the world’s economy and environment. But he’s still in power.

Israel have a mad despot who is committing genocide and putting Jewish people at risk across the world. But he’s still in power.

In the UK, we have a dull bloke who’s doing his best to stand up to the mad despots while not leading us into war. And we’re all trying to get rid of him.

the inside info is 80 MPs, which we have a SPREADSHEET of their names.... https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5528643-almost-80-mps-have-called-for-starmer-to-resign-streeting-making-his-move-before-burnham-has-a-chance-to-get-in-leadership-election-between-starmer-streeting-rayner-a-few-mps-looking-to-make-a-name-official-tue-12th

Oh god, if it’s Ed Milliband they are even more sunk. His even more unpopular than the current PM

I think he should call an election. I’d really admire that to be honest. Had enough of musical chair PMs with the conservatives. I think we have all had enough of all of them.

Well, if they do this, in this way, they had better have a bloody good plan for what comes next. Because the next victim (PM) will not have it much different to Starmer.

Pretty obvious there is no plan, however. Labour have a discipline problem. It will not get better if this happens like this

I agree. This is part of it.

There is a lot of money going into destabilizing our government and a warped media interest in supporting that. Immigration has gone down (not that you'd know it from the media) and the economy is being screwed over on an international scale by warring despots in a way no UK government can fix. I'm not a great fan of Starmer but right now I have no interest in seeing him gone.

(Labour might reflect on how many of their voters they are pissing off though with building on green belt, ignoring the plight of the Palestinians and overriding promises (and laws) on the environment.)

Labour has massively reduced immigration.

Talk radio will have a field day!

Trouble is, whoever is next up will just have the same problems and mud slung at them as he has done and all the other ones that went before him.
None of it is good is it.

Yes, I’ve seen the news.

You seem to have completely brushed over my reply to your points.

It is a difficult one.
Starmer is not a good leader. He fails to gather momentum at key points.
He is good at international politics. And he is not a bad politician per se.

But.. he has done this to himself. This is his very own work. He was the one to push for Mandelson. The one to fire a civil servant that made possible his rushed and ill thought idea of getting Mandelson as the ambassador to Trump's US. Starmer is the one who has blocked an inquiry on why and how this did happened. Starmer is the one who put someone, now accused of sharing confidential information about UK assets, as ambassador. And there were plenty of reasons not to do that. There seems to be a theme appearing here, where Starmer wants diplomatic posts for his friends. Friends of dodgy character.
It is not that he is boring. Or lacks charisma.
It is who he chooses as allies, friends, who he promotes. And it does not look good. It is not in the interest of the UK to have these guys around our precious data, so Mandelson can carry on emailing someone with our assets values?
That McSweeny got his phone stolen does not help in this matter either.

Changing PM is not convenient for the country, that is for sure.
But the issue is that he is not trusted. It is a matter of trust. And he needs to face that.

So, it is better to stick with Starmer in the face of what is going on with international affairs, the markets, the cost of borrowing? Or change PM? And will we get a capable leader?

I really do not know. But I am fed up of Starmer.

I’m no Labour supporter, but everyone seems to irrationally despise Starmer, including quite a few of his MPs. As if he’s the sole reason for all of the UKs ills. Unfortunately for him, quite a lot of his MPs are insufferable and sanctimonious virtue signallers. Including several senior cabinet members.

And I’m fed to the back teeth of fucking MPs - and voters - treating politics as if it is the same as football. Except none of the Labour MPs are in any way talented. Actually , none of our MPs seem in any way talented and all the other leaders are a disaster. Maybe Kemi has potential but I have my doubts.

So many labour MPs are all for tearing down Starmer, but what do they expect? What do we as voters expect? That Starmer is going to have all the answers, that he’s single handedly going to reverse industrial decline of decades and reverse off shoring labour arbitrage enjoyed by our global business elite? That he can magically ‘stop the boats’ no one else has managed to stop? That he can persuade Trump to stop screwing up the global economy? Just stop and let the man focus on the economy.

and yet....

Yes extreme internal discipline issues.

100% spot on!

Yes, with the country and the world problems which are many.

But nobody can shoot themselves on both feet with Mandelson anymore.

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100%

You’re right that the next PM will not have it any differently. But every single political party has a discipline problem. Many / most of our politicians have too narrow a focus on serving their own interests. It’s attracting all the egotistical chancers now. Few looking to actually serve the country. Ironically, I think Starmer does have a genuine desire to improve the country, but like May, doesn’t have sufficient charm to appease and cajole.

Of course he immediately announced that he’d build detention centres in green council areas to distract from this. Farage is sickening and the right wing press ans the wealthy owners who will been fit from the tax breaks @lap it up

I think it's terribly racist to object to detention centres in your back yard. After all what are you afraid of?

He’s a bit dull and has dithered but eventually done the right thing. I don’t know what he’s done that’s so bad? I mean specifically, not just general dislike. I mean when you think of the antics of Thatcher, Blair, Cameron, Johnson and Truss, he’s a pretty good guy… surely?

It shouldn’t be like that though? It’s politics not a beauty pageant?

Gosh they’ve got themselves into a massive mess. Rayner is not a viable PM, Streeting is an absolute snake whose been after the PM job for ages and is therefore totally unsuited, Burnham would be good but he’s not even an MP. Returning to Ed Miliband who previously lost would also be a bad look.

I didn’t like Ed Milliband before and I just know he’ll be even more unpopular than the current PM is.

Are you new? Politician's win because they have charisma first, before policies.