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To think we don’t know how lucky we are under Starmer.

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SevenYellowHammers · 11/05/2026 19:50

Russia have a mad despot who is responsible for the deaths of Russians and Ukrainians and has caused untold damage on the world’s environment and economy. But he’s still in power.

The USA have a mad despot who’s causing deaths worldwide and has started a war he can’t win causing untold damage to the world’s economy and environment. But he’s still in power.

Israel have a mad despot who is committing genocide and putting Jewish people at risk across the world. But he’s still in power.

In the UK, we have a dull bloke who’s doing his best to stand up to the mad despots while not leading us into war. And we’re all trying to get rid of him.

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Coka · 11/05/2026 21:25

God forbid a PM actually thinks about the country and not only self-gain and lining the pockets of their millionaire mates. Im sure Starmer will be outed to pave the way for someone who will look after the top 1%. Its very depressing.

Bikenutz · 11/05/2026 21:26

I agree with the OP.

Whoever took charge after the Liz Truss / Sunak shitshow was going to inherit a poisoned chalice of a role.

Sidebeforeself · 11/05/2026 21:26

hollygoolightly · 11/05/2026 20:01

People are literally being radicalised by the media and social media. It's scary.

everyone except you?

Sorry didnt mean that to sound snippy but I always wonder when people say things like this why they think they are different

TeenagersAngst · 11/05/2026 21:30

NewspaperTaxis · 11/05/2026 21:14

I thought it was total number of seats won - am I wrong? Labour have more council seats than the Tories, the Lib Dems and obviously the Greens. Happy to be corrected - all the results on the news channels tend to focus on how many a party has lost, but if they had loads to start with, in the wake of Opposition hope and the Tories' party gate furore, that doesn't mean they did so badly.

Yes, the results were mainly reported by how many they'd lost as this is seen to be the barometer of how voters feel. I'm not sure on how many seats they still hold and whether this is the majority among all parties.

CanterThroughChaos · 11/05/2026 21:30

I didn’t vote for him and it’s not the government I wanted, however Kier Starmer is the elected prime minister. There is literally no point in voting for a prime minister anymore, they don’t complete a single term. Anything goes wrong and the party just replace them and have another go, I don’t think it should be allowed unless there is a reason they literally can’t continue to work.

ProudAmberTurtle · 11/05/2026 21:30

UnintentionalArcher · 11/05/2026 20:57

Partly in response to a media that is broadly driving discourse towards the lowest common denominator. There’s an element of this that’s about feeling a need to be seen to respond to something that has become a vicious cycle of negative coverage in order to protect the party. He’s certainly made mistakes, and he would ideally learn to communicate more effectively, but at the same time ‘more effectively’ for a lot of audiences now seems to mean ‘flattening of nuance’ and simplistic messages like ‘common sense government’ as if the complex economic issues of late stage capitalism and current political climate could easily be solved if only Terry from next door’s ideas on small boats were finally heard. It’s hard - he’s definitely not the most effective leader but as others have pointed out it could be significantly worse.

It's not the media, which is almost entirely as pro establishment and privileged as the Labour Party.

It's the people - they just voted.

They're tired of the chaos and the incompetence.

They want change.

It's called democracy.

Sidebeforeself · 11/05/2026 21:31

SevenYellowHammers · 11/05/2026 21:08

Fair point but what I was trying to point out was that Starmer’s getting more vitriol than the other three nutters combined. Moreover, those three nut jobs are making Starmer’s job well near impossible!

But a PM will always attract more scrutiny and criticism than anyone else. Sometimes it will be hydrated, sometimes not. Thems the breaks.

ProudAmberTurtle · 11/05/2026 21:31

NewspaperTaxis · 11/05/2026 21:08

Didn't Labour come second?

No, Labour came a very distant third and suffered the worst election results in their history

ProudAmberTurtle · 11/05/2026 21:35

Labour got 15% of the vote.

(Reform got 27% and the Tories 20%).

If replicated across the country at a general election that could be as few as five seats.

Sidebeforeself · 11/05/2026 21:37

Sidebeforeself · 11/05/2026 21:31

But a PM will always attract more scrutiny and criticism than anyone else. Sometimes it will be hydrated, sometimes not. Thems the breaks.

Hydrated?! I meant justified!

Sherbs12 · 11/05/2026 21:39

ProudAmberTurtle · 11/05/2026 21:30

It's not the media, which is almost entirely as pro establishment and privileged as the Labour Party.

It's the people - they just voted.

They're tired of the chaos and the incompetence.

They want change.

It's called democracy.

Are you talking about the local elections? Democracy happened in the local elections. It’s certainly a message to Labour, but it’s not democracy to remove a democratically elected PM two years into a five year term because of local election losses. You didn’t take Reform’s ‘Get Starmer Out!’ slogan literally, did you?

Are you suggesting that Labour are privileged and the establishment, but the Tories and Reform are not? Because that would be ludicrous. And who is offering change on the right, exactly? Is it the Tories who were in power 2010-2024, or Reform who are a mix UKIP/The Brexit Party with Tories from the previous government? None of this is making any sense.

PoppinjayPolly · 11/05/2026 21:39

SevenYellowHammers · 11/05/2026 21:08

Fair point but what I was trying to point out was that Starmer’s getting more vitriol than the other three nutters combined. Moreover, those three nut jobs are making Starmer’s job well near impossible!

Any reason you’re not including Mojtaba Khamenei in your “nutters”? Do you think death penalty for political dissidents is ok then?

FatEndoftheWedge · 11/05/2026 21:39

Well it's a shame in only two years it's been sandal after scandal ? Mandelson ?? lord Ali...Rotherham ...and so on ?
Meanwhile he's taken us all to the brink with taxes by stealth we have less money in our pocket and they are draining us by stealth means. And a rise in viscous anti Semitism that also flourished under corbyn.

TemperanceWest · 11/05/2026 21:41

NewspaperTaxis · 11/05/2026 21:14

I thought it was total number of seats won - am I wrong? Labour have more council seats than the Tories, the Lib Dems and obviously the Greens. Happy to be corrected - all the results on the news channels tend to focus on how many a party has lost, but if they had loads to start with, in the wake of Opposition hope and the Tories' party gate furore, that doesn't mean they did so badly.

You're right. Labour also still have the most councils in England. This map puts it all into good perspective.

To think we don’t know how lucky we are under Starmer.
JLou08 · 11/05/2026 21:42

I agree. We'd be in a much worse situation under Reform. Of course Farage will 'stop the boats' and 'make Britain great again'. Just like we got billions for the NHS after Brexit.

Allseeingallknowing · 11/05/2026 21:47

FatEndoftheWedge · 11/05/2026 21:39

Well it's a shame in only two years it's been sandal after scandal ? Mandelson ?? lord Ali...Rotherham ...and so on ?
Meanwhile he's taken us all to the brink with taxes by stealth we have less money in our pocket and they are draining us by stealth means. And a rise in viscous anti Semitism that also flourished under corbyn.

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Viscous? There’s a thread for that!😄

boyleslaw · 11/05/2026 21:48

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 11/05/2026 21:21

Starmer has less than 24 hours.

This

WildGarden · 11/05/2026 21:49

nomas · 11/05/2026 19:54

YANBU. It’s a media driven nightmare.

Agreed. From the day after the general election the Telegraph and Mail lost their minds. After years of them calling people snowflakes and remoaners it turned out they were the real snowflakes and moaners.

SpiceGirlsNeedAComeBack · 11/05/2026 21:50

He’s out in the morning. They will only get someone more far left as PM. This is a disaster.

YourShyLion · 11/05/2026 21:50

The media have been after him since day 1, it's ridiculous considering how much they let his predecessor off with. He's a decent person who inherited a nightmare and is doing his best in horrendous circumstances.

the80sweregreat · 11/05/2026 21:52

The narrative on sky news within an hour and half changed from ‘ the PM may stay on ‘ to talking about him in the past tense. Whatever inside information they had on their lap tops indicated to me that it’s now only a matter of time before he resigns. May be wrong , but definitely the mood and the discussions seemed to alter. I may be completely wrong , but it wasn’t subtle at all.

SnappyNavyWriter · 11/05/2026 21:53

SevenYellowHammers · 11/05/2026 20:17

Well, figures I obtained from Oxford University Observatory on Immigration (peer reviewed statistics with no recommendations or bias) show that immigration is small and diminishing. The cost to the economy is 0.45% for illegal immigration. I accept that a tiny percentage of a big figure is still a lot but I doubt it’s anything like the massive issue a lot of people seem to believe it to be.

Taxation is a necessity if we want free at point of entry healthcare, education, policing and so forth. I can’t see a way around it. It would be better if wealthy tax dodgers were called to account. Perhaps if the media reported them with the vigour they report on illegal immigration?

I didn’t say Starmer was “so good” or that it was a utopia. Feeling a sense of relief that we have a PM who isn’t as bonkers as Trump, Netanyahu and Putin isn’t a utopian dream or, at least shouldn’t be.

Absolutely agree. We’re a Lib Dem family, but we appreciate the effort KS has gone to to protect us from a war that the stories would have dived head first into. Kemi Badenoch and monstrous dickhead Farage have both retracted their strong statements that would should have been supporting Trump and going to war, which makes me very grateful that KS is much more measured. People CANNOT expect him to undo what he had to sort out overnight. He has been measured and steadying of the ship during his time, and I wish him very well. Very grateful not be living in the US under that tyrannical orange!

Allseeingallknowing · 11/05/2026 21:54

SpiceGirlsNeedAComeBack · 11/05/2026 21:50

He’s out in the morning. They will only get someone more far left as PM. This is a disaster.

Please don’t let it be Silliband!

ProudAmberTurtle · 11/05/2026 21:55

Sherbs12 · 11/05/2026 21:39

Are you talking about the local elections? Democracy happened in the local elections. It’s certainly a message to Labour, but it’s not democracy to remove a democratically elected PM two years into a five year term because of local election losses. You didn’t take Reform’s ‘Get Starmer Out!’ slogan literally, did you?

Are you suggesting that Labour are privileged and the establishment, but the Tories and Reform are not? Because that would be ludicrous. And who is offering change on the right, exactly? Is it the Tories who were in power 2010-2024, or Reform who are a mix UKIP/The Brexit Party with Tories from the previous government? None of this is making any sense.

Have you not seen the news today? It's pure chaos among Labour MPs.

Lost in it all today was Harriet Harman offering some random bloke a peerage on X, before she realised she'd done it publicly.

Then we had Catherine West saying she meant by September when she wrote in September.

And that was before Angela Eagle retweeted a call for Starmer's resignation, because she hasn't read it and thought it was supporting him.

76 MPs so far calling for their leader to resign. While he calls everyone the far right in front of a bunch of clapping seals.

These people are moronic.

Let's kick them ALL out, end the chaos and get someone just slightly competent in.

We don't deserve these clowns.

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